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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 30 November 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 16 June 2022

Richard Leonard

Okay. I want to move us on to another area. You talked in your opening statement about why you feel that the contract has gone in the way that it has. If I take you again to the Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee’s inquiry, one of the conclusions that it made was that

“... FMEL lacked the appropriate level of design capabilities ... failed to manage the design ... process effectively ... and proceeded to build the vessels before the design had been suitably developed and signed off.”

How do you respond to that conclusion?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 16 June 2022

Richard Leonard

What did he say? I am sorry. Does he deny that or accede to it?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 16 June 2022

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much indeed.

10:55 Meeting continued in private until 11:33.  

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 16 June 2022

Richard Leonard

Can I stop you there, Mr McColl? You have said, I think, in your evidence to the Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee and in the written submission that you have given us that you were concerned about the relationship between the Scottish Government and CMAL.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 16 June 2022

Richard Leonard

I am sorry, but your meeting with Mr Mackay was on 5 June 2018.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 16 June 2022

Richard Leonard

So he said that, three years ago, he got a threat that people would resign.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 16 June 2022

Richard Leonard

Craig Hoy wants to come in with a number of questions.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 16 June 2022

Richard Leonard

For those who are interested in the landscape of the yard and how it works, I point people to the evidence that Alex Logan, the GMB convener at the yard, gave on 22 January 2020 to the Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee.

Sharon Dowey has some questions.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 16 June 2022

Richard Leonard

MSP, I think.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 16 June 2022

Richard Leonard

You said:

“We could not understand why the Government did not take a stronger stance with CMAL. We now know why.”

What do you mean by that?