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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 September 2025
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Public Audit Committee

“Drug and alcohol services: An update”

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

Richard Leonard

Thank you. I have to say that we are quite concerned about data gaps.

Colin Beattie has a number of questions.

Public Audit Committee

Major Information and Communications Technology Projects (Accountability and Governance)

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

Richard Leonard

Thank you. I thank the witnesses for their evidence. There are some issues that we will be keen to pursue. As I mentioned earlier, we hope to have a session with the accountable officers for particular projects that have exercised our interest.

I thank Geoff Huggins, Jonathan Ruff, Sharon Fairweather and Donald McGillivray for presenting themselves before the committee; it is appreciated.

I suspend the meeting while we change witnesses.

10:15 Meeting suspended.  

10:18 On resuming—  

Public Audit Committee

Major Information and Communications Technology Projects (Accountability and Governance)

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

Richard Leonard

I simply note that, at the moment, Police Scotland has five major ICT projects under way. I hope that another i6 is not around the corner.

I call Craig Hoy, who has some questions to ask.

Public Audit Committee

“Drug and alcohol services: An update”

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

Richard Leonard

There are further questions to come about the transparency of spending, the governance arrangements and the strategy. However, I have one other question that I want to put to you.

Exhibit 1 in the briefing shows that alcohol-related deaths reduced and levelled off over a period of 15 years and that they have started to rise again. In your opinion and assessment, what measures drove down alcohol-related deaths and what may be the cause of their recent increase?

Public Audit Committee

“Drug and alcohol services: An update”

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

Richard Leonard

Thank you for that opening statement.

The first lines of the update paper are a stark reminder of the situation that we find ourselves in. They say:

“In Scotland, 1,339 people died from drug-related causes in 2020—the highest ever reported and the highest rate in Europe.”

However, as you have just said, you view progress as having been slow. In the report, you say that there is

“a lack of drive and leadership by the Scottish Government.”

To what extent did the Scottish Government respond to the clear recommendations that you made more than a decade ago, in 2009?

Public Audit Committee

Major Information and Communications Technology Projects (Accountability and Governance)

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

Richard Leonard

Moving on to questions on governance, assurance and oversight of major ICT projects, I call Willie Coffey, who also joins us by videolink.

Public Audit Committee

Major Information and Communications Technology Projects (Accountability and Governance)

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

Richard Leonard

For the sake of completeness, have there been any cyberattacks by Russian sources over the past six weeks?

Public Audit Committee

Major Information and Communications Technology Projects (Accountability and Governance)

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

Richard Leonard

But clearly you remain vigilant.

Public Audit Committee

Major Information and Communications Technology Projects (Accountability and Governance)

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

Richard Leonard

One reason why the committee has had an interest in major ICT projects down the years is because there have been some fairly notorious cost overruns and failed applications such as those in NHS 24, the Scottish Public Pensions Agency, the common agricultural policy futures programme and the police i6 project, which has been mentioned.

I want to go back to your point that there is an existing structure of accountable officers. The committee has previously said that a much firmer grip needs to be taken of the issue and that there need to be much clearer lines of responsibility. As I understand it from reading the list of Police Scotland IT projects, it has five or six on at the moment—well, five, anyway. There are projects on the unified communications and contact platform, digital evidence-sharing capability, the national integrated command and control system, core operational solutions and mobile working. Who has oversight of all those different projects?

Public Audit Committee

Major Information and Communications Technology Projects (Accountability and Governance)

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

Richard Leonard

What is different now compared to the position when the i6 project was under way?