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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 30 March 2023
Richard Leonard
As I mentioned, Roz McCall has questions on particular aspects of some of our longer-term areas of interest.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 30 March 2023
Richard Leonard
You alluded to our previous evidence session today, during which we discovered that 22 recommendations had become 26, not because four had been added on but because some of those 22 had been subdivided. Is there typically interaction with a public body in formulating recommendations, or are they imposed on it?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 30 March 2023
Richard Leonard
Okay. It is fair to say—and some would argue—that the project Neptune outcomes will address that. We started with the ferries and will finish with the ferries. There was some concern about the sponsorship role of Transport Scotland and how that all fits together, so it is not just historical—we as a Public Audit Committee have contemporary concerns about how sponsorship arrangements are working in practice.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 30 March 2023
Richard Leonard
Thank you. We obviously want to put quite a number of questions to you, but before we get to those I ask you to make a short opening statement to the committee.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 30 March 2023
Richard Leonard
Thank you very much indeed. You mentioned the committee’s priorities, so I am bound to ask this. Last week, we published a report on the construction of ferries 801 and 802. In that report, we made some recommendations on work that we thought that it would be useful to be included in your work programme, recognising that we cannot instruct you to do anything. Those recommendations were about the procurement of the vessels and what we thought would be a useful forensic analysis of the money that was paid over to Ferguson Marine Engineering Ltd. Have you had any time to consider that? How do you plan to give that consideration?
Secondly, on a broader point, something that is not explicitly mentioned in the work programme papers that we have seen is the discussion about the business investment framework that was published last year by the Scottish Government. The committee has some ideas about how that could be improved, and we have had some useful discussions in public evidence sessions with you about that, especially around the Scottish Government’s consolidated accounts.
Could you give us some reflections on those points?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 30 March 2023
Richard Leonard
Thank you very much, commissioner. I think that our working list had 22 recommendations, with a breakdown of 10 that had been implemented at the time of the Audit Scotland report’s publication, and 10 being a work in progress. I am sure that during the course of the next hour we will get into some of the detail of the recommendations and the progress that you have made. If you have reconfigured them, maybe we will get to the bottom of that, too.
I go first to Willie Coffey, who has an extremely important question that exercised us very much at our last session with the Auditor General.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 30 March 2023
Richard Leonard
I am sorry to interrupt, Mr Bruce, but what is the AAB?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 23 March 2023
Richard Leonard
Is the clinical hub a pilot in one particular geographical area? How is that working?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 23 March 2023
Richard Leonard
I am quite sure that we will be interested in keeping a close eye on that.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 23 March 2023
Richard Leonard
Thank you. We have mentioned the national treatment centres a few times this morning. They are, in part, a national health service response, in place of the private sector, to some of the pressures. Three national treatment centres that were scheduled to open last year did not open. The last I saw, they were scheduled to open in the first half of this year. Rumour has it that the First Minister, in one of her final acts, may open one before the end of the week, but whether that is true remains to be seen.
My serious point is that there have been delays. Can you elaborate on your understanding of the reason why the opening of those treatment centres was delayed? That delay has also contributed to the pressures that we have been talking about for the past hour and 20 minutes, has it not? Can you update us on whether those NTCs are on schedule to open this year?