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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 4 May 2023
Richard Leonard
Earlier, you said that the NHS Forth Valley’s Larbert site treatment centre and the expanded one at NHS Golden Jubilee at Clydebank will be open by the end of the year. Can you give us a definite commitment that, by December 2023, those two centres will be open and receiving patients?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 4 May 2023
Richard Leonard
John Burns, are you confident about that?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 4 May 2023
Richard Leonard
Thank you very much indeed.
Do you accept and agree with the findings and recommendations of the Auditor General for Scotland?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 4 May 2023
Richard Leonard
Yes, but the conclusion that has been drawn by the Auditor General is that you need to work more closely with the NHS boards.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 4 May 2023
Richard Leonard
The principal item on our agenda is an evidence session on the Audit Scotland section 23 report, “NHS in Scotland 2022”. In the interests of transparency, I refer members to my entry in the members’ register of interests, which includes membership of two trade unions that organise in the national health service.
I am especially pleased to welcome our three witnesses: Caroline Lamb, chief executive of NHS Scotland and the director-general of health and social care; Richard McCallum, director of health finance and governance in the Scottish Government; and John Burns, chief operating officer in NHS Scotland. You are all very welcome. We have quite a number of questions that we would like to put to you. Before we get to those, I ask Caroline Lamb to make a short opening statement.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 4 May 2023
Richard Leonard
Good morning. I welcome everybody to the 13th meeting in 2023 of the Public Audit Committee. We have received apologies from Colin Beattie and Willie Coffey, but I am delighted to welcome Bill Kidd, who is substituting on the committee today.
The first item on the agenda is for members to consider whether to take agenda items 3, 4 and 5 in private. Are we agreed to do so?
Members indicated agreement.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 4 May 2023
Richard Leonard
Okay, thanks.
Do you accept the point made by the Auditor General, in paragraph 99 of the report, that
“The wording of the new targets is open to interpretation”?
There is a question mark over whether waiting time targets are properly useful and transparent for people. The report also notes, in paragraph 105, that the Office for Statistics Regulation has deliberated over the statistics produced by the Scottish Government on waiting times and concluded that they could be misleading because they are based on median waiting times. Do you accept that criticism?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 4 May 2023
Richard Leonard
Okay, but we had an exchange of correspondence about a year ago and you wrote to me on 13 May 2022, saying:
“We are committed to being open and transparent about data on waiting times performance”.
However, several months later, an Audit Scotland report comes out and points out that not only have you been criticised by the Office for Statistics Regulation because your waiting time target information is not transparent, but you are being criticised in a similar vein by the Auditor General.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 4 May 2023
Richard Leonard
When can we expect to see that?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 4 May 2023
Richard Leonard
As a committee, we are used to delays. Sometimes, they are not as inevitable as you perhaps suggest. What does the delay do to the cost of those projects? Will they come in on budget, or will they be over budget because of that delay?