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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 1 June 2023

Richard Leonard

That is an interesting analysis, Mr Miller. What about having good regard to public accountability? In the end, we are talking about a project—a procurement for two vessels that are five years late, and counting, and three and a half times over budget. In that environment—as, I think, Mr Coffey said when the Auditor General was here—it beggars belief that bonus payments have been made.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 1 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Ah—so we have a little bit more information about the FMI report.

I invite Craig Hoy to ask a round of questions.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 1 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Mr Cook, do you have any reflections?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 1 June 2023

Richard Leonard

It was, however, very much a “On the one hand ... and on the other” piece of advice that you gave, which I think is an interesting approach.

I will move on to something else to do with the written authority decision. In your answers to Sharon Dowey, you mentioned external commercial advisers. Are you prepared to share the workings of those commercial advisers with the committee?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 1 June 2023

Richard Leonard

We understand that and have, as a committee, stated on numerous occasions that we are fully behind FMPG and the yard winning more work and being successful.

Mr Irwin, you have mentioned the Scottish public finance manual a few times now. I point out that it contains a section on this committee and your accountability not just to Parliament but to the committee, in particular. The advice in the manual, to you as the accountable officer, is that

“You may also be called on to satisfy the Committee that all relevant financial considerations were brought to the attention of Ministers”.

With that in mind, are you prepared to share that information with us?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 1 June 2023

Richard Leonard

I go back to my earlier question, which was this: are you prepared to share that information with the committee? We understand entirely that some elements of the work that you do in relation to FMPG are commercially sensitive, but I presume that the information could be supplied to us in a way such that it would not compromise commercial and confidential information.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 1 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Can you give us, this morning, a timescale for when you will make decisions on what can or cannot be released?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 1 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Let me turn to something else that will put under scrutiny your commitment to openness and transparency—the First Marine International report. Can you explain to us why you are not prepared to release that into the public domain?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 1 June 2023

Richard Leonard

According to your letter to me, however, when I add in the VAT, a quarter of a million pounds of public money has been spent on commissioning that FMI report. Are you saying that nothing about it can be published?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 1 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Why is the report covered by a non-disclosure agreement?