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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 15 June 2023
Richard Leonard
That is a very clear answer, which is very helpful. Thank you
Willie Coffey has some more questions to put to you.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 15 June 2023
Richard Leonard
We have spoken a little bit already about flexibility and outcomes. One of the expected outcomes that there has, I think, been some measurement of was that the increased provision for pre-school education might lead to parents and carers taking a decision to defer their children going into primary school. On the evidence that you have produced in the report, that does not appear to have happened to the extent that people may have expected. Will you say a little more about that? Do you have any understanding of why that is? Is it a cultural thing? Are there other factors at play that mean that we have not seen the choice, which is there, being made to defer children’s going into primary school?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 15 June 2023
Richard Leonard
Good morning. I welcome everyone to the Public Audit Committee’s 18th meeting in 2023.
The first item on our agenda is for members to consider whether to take in private agenda items 3, 4 and 5. Are members agreed?
Members indicated agreement.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 15 June 2023
Richard Leonard
I should also record that we have apologies from Colin Beattie.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 15 June 2023
Richard Leonard
This morning, we will hear evidence on the Audit Scotland and Accounts Commission section 23 report, “Early learning and childcare: Progress on delivery of the 1,140 hours expansion”. To that end, I welcome our four witnesses. We are joined by the Auditor General for Scotland, Stephen Boyle, who is accompanied by Tricia Meldrum, a senior manager at Audit Scotland, and Rebecca Smallwood, an audit manager at Audit Scotland. I am pleased that we are also joined by Sophie Flemig from the Accounts Commission. It is a joint report by the two organisations. You are all very welcome.
We have a number of questions to put to you on the report but, before we get to questions, I ask the Auditor General to make a short opening statement.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 15 June 2023
Richard Leonard
Thank you very much indeed.
My first question is on that last point. You make it clear in the report that it is too early or you are not yet in a position to make an assessment around the impact of the policy. What do you envisage your timescale being to be able to do that?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 15 June 2023
Richard Leonard
Was there quite a wide variance between those different groups of households? One of the stated and agreed public policy objectives of the expansion of early learning and childcare is about increasing levels of economic activity, is it not? If it is not serving the needs of parents and carers who are at work or want to go to work, that is a public policy issue that needs to be addressed, is it not?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 15 June 2023
Richard Leonard
Has there been any response yet? Do we know what actions the Scottish Government will take in light of the report on the 10 pilots?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 8 June 2023
Richard Leonard
Thank you. I turn to Willie Coffey, who has more questions on the Covid response.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 8 June 2023
Richard Leonard
We see a lot of your reports and I thought that it was interesting that your recommendations in this one are aligned with timetables. You have got things that you expect to happen within three to six months, over the next 12 months and then over the next 12 to 18 months, and I think that that is a useful way of addressing some of the challenges that you have identified. It seems to me to be quite innovative and very useful.
Have you agreed those timescales with the Scottish Government and the Scottish Courts and Tribunals Service?