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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Public Audit Committee

Section 23 report: “Early Learning and Childcare: Progress on delivery of the 1,140 hours expansion”

Meeting date: 15 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Before I ask my next question, I had better remind members of my entry in the register of members’ interests.

I want to ask about the living wage and fair work practices. You remind us that an ELC living wage and fair work implementation group has been established. You have also mentioned that there is a paucity of data about the living wage and whether it is enforced. Does that organisation not have in its terms of reference some responsibility for getting that data? It is an implementation group, so I presume that it needs the data in order to understand whether the promises that have been made are being kept.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 report: “Early Learning and Childcare: Progress on delivery of the 1,140 hours expansion”

Meeting date: 15 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Okay. That is helpful. The terminology that we use is “living wage and fair work”. I presume that “fair work” covers things such as the use of zero-hours contracts, the right to trade union membership, trade union recognition and so on. Will that be monitored, and will data on that be collected?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 report: “Early Learning and Childcare: Progress on delivery of the 1,140 hours expansion”

Meeting date: 15 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Okay—thanks. I will move on to something that is an increasing part of our agenda and questioning, which is net zero targets. We have seen significant capital infrastructure investment, primarily in new buildings or in the refurbishment of existing buildings. To what extent were net zero targets set around these infrastructure projects, either by the Scottish Government or by the Scottish Futures Trust?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 report: “Early Learning and Childcare: Progress on delivery of the 1,140 hours expansion”

Meeting date: 15 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Exhibit 2 shows a flat cash settlement, does it not? Am I reading that correctly?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 report: “Early Learning and Childcare: Progress on delivery of the 1,140 hours expansion”

Meeting date: 15 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Thank you. That would be helpful.

We speak about the expansion to 1,140 hours, but they are not mandatory. Do you have any data on, or have you done any work to understand, why parents and carers may exercise the right not to avail themselves of the 1,140 hours?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 report: “Early Learning and Childcare: Progress on delivery of the 1,140 hours expansion”

Meeting date: 15 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Okay. Thank you.

I have one final question before I bring in Willie Coffey. In paragraph 25 of the report, you refer to satisfaction surveys of parents in consideration of the flexibility of the arrangements and so on. If I have read it correctly, there was a much higher satisfaction rate among parents or carers when the children were living in households in which parents were not at work, for example. There also seemed to be a higher satisfaction rate in the more deprived areas. Do you have any rationalisation of that? Could you enlighten us as to why you think those are the results?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 report: “Early Learning and Childcare: Progress on delivery of the 1,140 hours expansion”

Meeting date: 15 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Yes. Of course not all other things will be equal over that time, but it would still be very useful to have those assessments.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 report: “Early Learning and Childcare: Progress on delivery of the 1,140 hours expansion”

Meeting date: 15 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Craig Hoy has a final, short question.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 report: “Early Learning and Childcare: Progress on delivery of the 1,140 hours expansion”

Meeting date: 15 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Earlier, Craig Hoy had questions about the sustainability of providers. He has more questions on that.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 report: “Early Learning and Childcare: Progress on delivery of the 1,140 hours expansion”

Meeting date: 15 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Yes. Thank you very much. I turn to the deputy convener, Sharon Dowey, who has a series of questions to put to you.