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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 30 November 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Major Information and Communications Technology Projects

Meeting date: 8 December 2022

Richard Leonard

Do you not think that primary legislation would be required to do that?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s public finances: Challenges and risks”

Meeting date: 1 December 2022

Richard Leonard

Craig Hoy has a supplementary question on that.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s public finances: Challenges and risks”

Meeting date: 1 December 2022

Richard Leonard

Before we turn to Craig Hoy, who has some questions about public sector reform, I want to interrogate a little the idea that, traditionally, certain parts of Government expenditure are protected at a time when there is a retrenchment in finances. We have had briefings and statements in Parliament about the areas that the Government is prioritising, but I wonder whether you have detected, in the work that you have been doing in this area, any sense that there has been any movement or shifting of resources between one protected area and another or within a protected area—or, indeed, that the protections are being reviewed.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s public finances: Challenges and risks”

Meeting date: 1 December 2022

Richard Leonard

That is helpful.

Turning to the autumn statement, what difference do the key points that were made by the chancellor in the autumn statement make to any conclusions that you have made in the briefing that we are considering this morning?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s public finances: Challenges and risks”

Meeting date: 1 December 2022

Richard Leonard

Let us look at the Barnett consequentials element. You make the point in the briefing that, if the Scottish Government—or the Scottish Parliament—wishes to allocate additional help to alleviate the cost of living crisis, the Government will need to find it from its own resource rather than necessarily or even at all relying on Barnett consequentials. Will you perhaps elaborate on that?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s public finances: Challenges and risks”

Meeting date: 1 December 2022

Richard Leonard

Okay. Do you have any idea when the end point will be reached? Have you had any indication from the permanent secretary or any other part of the Government about where that is?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s public finances: Challenges and risks”

Meeting date: 1 December 2022

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much for setting the scene. We have quite a number of questions on the areas that you have already identified as being critical to the assessment that you have made.

I will ask you first about the timing of the briefing. Obviously, it came out prior to the Chancellor of the Exchequer’s autumn statement, which was made on 17 November. Why produce it prior to that statement? Why not produce it after the statement had been delivered?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s public finances: Challenges and risks”

Meeting date: 1 December 2022

Richard Leonard

Early in the briefing, you quote the Scottish Government’s assessment that it faces

“significant financial challenges”.

Sharon Dowey has a series of questions that address that.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s public finances: Challenges and risks”

Meeting date: 1 December 2022

Richard Leonard

That would be great. You are well versed in dealing with complicated matters and in giving us succinct reports, so thanks for that.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s public finances: Challenges and risks”

Meeting date: 1 December 2022

Richard Leonard

I need to refer members to my entry in the register of interests. I want to ask a little bit more about wages and salaries, because that issue is part of your public sector reform agenda and you have mentioned it a couple of times this morning already. Economists often look at wages and salaries as a percentage of overall gross domestic product in the economy as a whole. Have you looked at wages and salaries as a percentage of public expenditure in Scotland over, say, the past decade? Is the percentage going up or down, or is it about the same? If you are not able to supply that information immediately, it would be of great interest if you could follow that up.