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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 4 July 2025
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Auditor General for Scotland (Work Programme)

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Richard Leonard

We have had previous conversations with you about the medium-term financial strategy being delayed. It was delayed last year. Is it being delayed this year? Is there going to be a delay in the publication of the major capital projects list? Those are matters of concern to the Public Audit Committee.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Auditor General for Scotland (Work Programme)

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much. We thought that it would be useful to have some of those scene-setting discussions at the start of this morning’s session, but we now want to get into some of the specifics of the work programme.

First, the section 23 report on national health service governance is coming out in May, or from tomorrow onwards. The Public Audit Committee not just in this session but in previous sessions of Parliament has had some long-standing concerns about the extent to which leadership and governance in the NHS are working as they ought to be. Without pre-empting too much of the report that you are about to publish, do you see signs of improvements being made to leadership and governance in our national health service?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Auditor General for Scotland (Work Programme)

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you. I invite Stuart McMillan to put a final series of questions to the Auditor General.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Auditor General for Scotland (Work Programme)

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Richard Leonard

Before we finish up this morning, let us go back to the Ferguson Marine situation. I should know the answer to this question, but I will ask it nonetheless. In relation to the forensic audit of FMEL in the pre-nationalisation period, have those forensic auditors been appointed? If so, who are they? If they have been appointed and we know who they are, what stage are we at? You mentioned a scoping exercise and the need to gain an understanding of what documentation is available and so on. It would be helpful to learn, on the record, a little bit more about that and about when you anticipate that they will report.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Auditor General for Scotland (Work Programme)

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Richard Leonard

This is my final question—you may not be able to answer either the first or the second part of it. First, is the work purely a desktop exercise, or will people such as Jim McColl, the former owner of the yard, be interviewed?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Richard Leonard

Agenda item 2, which is the main item on our agenda this morning, is further consideration of the report “Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”, which was produced jointly by the Auditor General for Scotland and the Accounts Commission.

Before we get to that, though, I declare an interest as the convener of the National Union of Rail, Maritime and Transport Workers—RMT—Scottish parliamentary group.

I welcome our witnesses. We are very pleased to be joined by Fiona Hyslop, the Cabinet Secretary for Transport. Alongside the cabinet secretary are Alison Irvine, the chief executive of Transport Scotland; Fiona Brown, the interim director of transport strategy and analysis at Transport Scotland; and Heather Cowan, the head of climate change and just transition for Transport Scotland. We are also very pleased to welcome Councillor Gail Macgregor, who is the leader of Dumfries and Galloway Council and environment and economy spokesperson for the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities. It is in that capacity that she joins us today. Alongside Councillor Macgregor is Robert Nicol, the chief officer for environment and economy at COSLA.

We have a number of questions to put to you but, before we get to those, I invite the cabinet secretary to make a short opening statement.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Richard Leonard

So you disagree with the Auditor General’s conclusion.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Richard Leonard

You do not accept the findings; you simply accept the recommendations.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Richard Leonard

The report that was published in January this year by the Auditor General for Scotland and the Accounts Commission for Scotland says of the Scottish Government that there has been

“a lack of leadership”,

which has

“resulted in minimal progress against the demanding policy intention.”

I invite Gail Macgregor to tell us whether COSLA accepts the findings and recommendations of the report.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you for that answer. You said that you had been in post from 2022 onwards. I do not know whether Mr Nicol was around in 2020—