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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 22 June 2023
Richard Leonard
If there are any live cases, I do not want to prejudice them by discussing them at this meeting of the Public Audit Committee.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 22 June 2023
Richard Leonard
Thanks for that. I bring in Craig Hoy, who has a couple of questions to put to you.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 22 June 2023
Richard Leonard
That is helpful. Willie Coffey has some questions to put to you.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 22 June 2023
Richard Leonard
I have just got one final public audit question for you, cabinet secretary. It is on a much smaller scale, but it is quite important to us. It concerns the cost of the consultants. In the evidence session on 1 June, Mr Irwin said that the cost of the First Marine International report came in at a quarter of a million pounds for six months’ work. He described it as
“first-class external independent technical advice”,
and acknowledged that
“that sort of advice might not come cheap”.—[Official Report, Public Audit Committee, 1 June 2023; c 13.]
So that was six months’ work for the FMI report at a cost of a quarter of a million pounds.
In a parliamentary answer at the weekend, we were told that the cost of the Teneo report was nearly three times that amount—an estimated £620,000. Admittedly, that was not for six months’ work—I think that Ms Hall said earlier that it was for eight months’ work. Given that, earlier, Mr Cook said that the Teneo report just looked at value for money, why on earth is it costing such a huge amount of money? In light of that, why on earth is none of that report able to be published?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 22 June 2023
Richard Leonard
But there is not a single word or sentence of that report that you are prepared to release into the public domain.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 22 June 2023
Richard Leonard
Even in redacted form?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 22 June 2023
Richard Leonard
I welcome everyone back. We move to agenda item 3, which is consideration of a section 22 report entitled “The 2021/22 audit of South Lanarkshire College”.
I welcome our witnesses for this evidence session. We are joined by the Auditor General for Scotland, Stephen Boyle. With Mr Boyle are Rebecca Seidel, who is a senior audit manager at Audit Scotland, and David Hoose, who is a partner at Mazars LLP, which is the organisation that carried out the audit.
I invite the Auditor General to make an opening statement before we get into questions from committee members.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 22 June 2023
Richard Leonard
The £800,000 was spent predominantly on paying lawyers to carry out the investigations, as I read the report. Where did that money come from? Did the college have reserves that it could draw on? Presumably, that was an unanticipated outlay that would not have been budgeted for.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 22 June 2023
Richard Leonard
I will ask about the process of written authority. We were told that not only you but the Deputy First Minister and the First Minister were involved in the decision to issue written authority. Were the Deputy First Minister and the First Minister involved in the decision not to release the report?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 22 June 2023
Richard Leonard
We may return to some of those themes, but we are quite tight for time, so I will ask the deputy convener, Sharon Dowey, to put some questions to you.