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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 29 June 2023
Richard Leonard
I will now bring in Willie Coffey, who has a suite of questions to ask.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 29 June 2023
Richard Leonard
Willie Coffey has got another question.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 29 June 2023
Richard Leonard
Okay, thanks. When we return after the summer recess, we are going to take more evidence on that with the director general for net zero, so we will get his assessment of that.
Data, measurement and assessment are really important to the Public Audit Committee, as is the word that Alison Cumming used: “transparency”. With that, I thank Alison Irvine, David Signorini, Alison Cumming and Kersti Berge for being transparent and giving us their time and empirical observations about how things work in Government on those questions that are important for all of us; it is greatly appreciated.
10:56 Meeting continued in private until 11:21.Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 29 June 2023
Richard Leonard
Thank you. That was very helpful.
Can I ask each of you if you have got any reflections on the recent Audit Scotland report that spoke about the extent to which there is joined-up working across Government in pursuit of net zero targets?
I will read out a couple of the conclusions from the report. The Auditor General said:
“The Scottish Government does not routinely carry out carbon assessments or capture the impact of spending decisions on its carbon footprint in the long term.”
He also said:
“The Scottish Government does not assess how far the policies outlined in the Climate Change Plan Update will contribute to net zero.”
Finally, he said:
“The Scottish Government does not know how much the policies proposed in the current Climate Change Plan Update will cost”.
Do you think that that is a fair assessment? We will start with Alison Cumming.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 29 June 2023
Richard Leonard
We have two principal items on our agenda. The first is consideration of evidence on “The 2021/22 audit of Scottish Canals”. I welcome our three witnesses: we are joined by Stephen Boyle, the Auditor General for Scotland; Mark Taylor, the audit director at Audit Scotland; and Joanne Brown, who is a partner at Grant Thornton UK LLP.
We want to put quite a number of questions to you but, before we get to those, I ask the Auditor General to make a short opening statement.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 29 June 2023
Richard Leonard
I will pick up on that theme. Sharon Dowey mentioned the bus priority improvements under the future transport fund. I presume that that involves building bus lanes and ensuring that buses get priority in traffic, even across the Sheriffhall roundabout.
When we look at the budget headings, we see that the planned expenditure on that was £495 million, but only £26 million has been spent. There is £300 million in the budget for Scotland’s heat network, but only £6.4 million has been spent. There is £26 million in the budget for the low-carbon manufacturing challenge fund, but only £750,000 has been spent. There is a planned spend of £180 million on the emergency energy technologies fund, but only £10 million has been spent.
I do not want to miss out Mr Signorini. The peatland underspend has been a bit of an issue as well, has it not? I know that Rhoda Grant has written to the cabinet secretary, who has confirmed that the underspend on peatland restoration in 2020-21 was £12 million and that it was £7.4 million in 2021-22. Why is there such slow progress in those areas?
10:30Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 29 June 2023
Richard Leonard
Who will own those charge points in the future?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 29 June 2023
Richard Leonard
Thank you—fair enough. Just one other thing from me before I go to Bill Kidd again, and that is a question about the assessment and cost benefit analysis that is made on road improvement projects such as on the A83 or whatever it is. How do you reconcile that with the net zero targets? What criteria is used in order to say, “Yes, that’s going ahead,” or, “No, that is not going ahead.” What criteria is used in order to say, “Yes, that’s been prioritised,” or, “No, that’s been deprioritised?”
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 29 June 2023
Richard Leonard
My final question is about the relationship with the Scottish Government sponsor division. We were told in evidence last year that Transport Scotland attends board meetings of Scottish Canals and that it—this is the expression that was used—“sits hand in glove” with Scottish Canals. Is that a characterisation that you recognise?