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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 7 September 2023
Richard Leonard
I have more questions on areas that relate to that, but I will turn first to Colin Beattie, who has some questions to put to you.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 7 September 2023
Richard Leonard
Okay. Some of the international comparisons might be interesting. As a committee, we might have a look at what other countries do to provide EV charge points.
Before I bring in Sharon Dowey, I have a question. You said at the outset, Mr Brannen, that you welcomed the Audit Scotland report. Do you accept all its findings and recommendations?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 7 September 2023
Richard Leonard
I will bring Graham Simpson back in.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 7 September 2023
Richard Leonard
I hear what you are saying, Mr Brannen, but I have to reflect on what the committee was told when we took evidence from the Auditor General. With regard to the deputy director network, which seems to me to be at a lower level than this GCE board, he said:
“there ought to be some formality”.—[Official Report, Public Audit Committee, 18 May 2023; c 6.]
He went on to say:
“All that requires an additional level of formality; minute-taking is one of those fundamentals.”
Question 1, therefore, is: is a minute taken of the GCE board? Question 2 is: why are you refusing to publish it?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 7 September 2023
Richard Leonard
Good morning. I welcome everyone to the 21st meeting in 2023 of the Public Audit Committee.
The first item on our agenda is a declaration of interests. I invite Graham Simpson, who joins the committee in place of Craig Hoy, to declare any relevant interests.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 7 September 2023
Richard Leonard
When can we expect to see that methodology?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 7 September 2023
Richard Leonard
Thank you. I will bring you back in, Willie.
One thing that witnesses did not mention, but which is also quite important, is the electric vehicle charging network. You talked about “ramping up” when it comes to housing and buildings and so on, but you are selling off ChargePlace Scotland and withdrawing from that provision. I do not know whether it might be a question for the Cabinet sub-committee, Mr Brannen, because it might be a policy question, but why is it that the Government is pulling out of that £65 million-worth of investment in EV charge points and handing it over to the private sector?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 7 September 2023
Richard Leonard
Okay.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 7 September 2023
Richard Leonard
In answer to my last question, Mr Brannen, you said that you accepted in full the recommendations and findings of the Audit Scotland report. One of the starkest passages in the report is on page 16, is it not? I will quote what the Auditor General found. The report states that
“The Scottish Government does not routinely carry out carbon assessments or capture the impact of spending decisions on its carbon footprint in the long term.”
Secondly, it states that
“The Scottish Government does not assess how far the policies outlined in the Climate Change Plan Update will contribute to net zero”,
and, thirdly, it states that
“The Scottish Government does not know how much the policies proposed in the current Climate Change Plan Update will cost”.
What was your reaction to reading that in the report?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 7 September 2023
Richard Leonard
In summary, you are saying that, by the time that we get the next climate change plan, all those criticisms will have been addressed.