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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 9 November 2023
Richard Leonard
That is helpful.
I will bring in Meriem Timizar next, because I am sure that she will pick up some of those themes.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 9 November 2023
Richard Leonard
On that very clear note, Peter, thank you very much.
I thank all our witnesses this morning for what has been a very fruitful session. As I said earlier, the evidence that we have taken from all of you has been very rich in quality, and I want to thank Kirsten Urquhart—who is no longer here—Simon Porter, Shari McDaid, Peter Kelly, Paula Fraser and Meriem Timizar for joining us online and for their contributions this morning. I also very much thank Jo Anderson for joining us in the committee room and for the evidence that she has given us.
At future sessions, we will speak to some of the agencies and organisations that are on the front line, providing the services, and we will also speak to those who have some responsibility for the oversight of the implementation and delivery of services. We then expect to have a session with the accountable officer and the Scottish Government on the state of adult mental health services.
Again, thank you very much indeed for helping to inform our work. I also hope that you have been able to get some important messages out to a wider audience.
I now draw the public part of this morning’s meeting to a close.
10:46 Meeting continued in private until 11:01.Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 9 November 2023
Richard Leonard
Yes, absolutely.
I think that Graham Simpson wants to come in.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 9 November 2023
Richard Leonard
Thanks, Peter—we will. We will also focus on the unequal impact of health issues. I come to Dr McDaid.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 9 November 2023
Richard Leonard
Are you saying that multilingual information is available or that there is a gap there?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 9 November 2023
Richard Leonard
Jo Anderson, I think that you mentioned the Aberdeen example as something that is under threat because of funding issues. If you or any of the other panellists have other examples of such initiatives being at risk, it will be really helpful if you can give us a note in writing about them.
I am going to have move things along, and I invite Willie Coffey to put some questions.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 2 November 2023
Richard Leonard
Just going back to the equality and fairer Scotland duty, I am looking at the Government’s statement, which was authorised in March 2021, so it has been in place for more than two years. When I read the statement, I wondered how those assessments will be made. It says that plans will have to be
“fully Equality & Fairer Scotland Impact Assessed”.
How is the Government doing that? Have you seen any evidence that it has been doing it at all?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 2 November 2023
Richard Leonard
Good morning. I welcome everyone to the 27th meeting in 2023 of the Public Audit Committee. The first agenda item is for committee members to decide whether to take items 3, 4 and 5 in private. Do members agree to do so?
Members indicated agreement.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 2 November 2023
Richard Leonard
Thank you very much indeed for that opening statement. We move straight to questions. I invite the deputy convener, Sharon Dowey, to ask the first set of questions.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 2 November 2023
Richard Leonard
Before we move on, I want to pick up on the theme of transparency that you mentioned in your opening remarks. Paragraph 9 of the briefing paper, which is where the deputy convener started her questioning, states:
“Details are available for only £14.9 billion of the £26 billion of infrastructure investment originally announced.”
In the same paragraph, we find expressions such as
“it is not possible to compare ... makes it difficult to compare”
and
“It does not assess”.
That is a series of criticisms of the transparency of the available data. Have you had any initial response to that from the Scottish Government?