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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 30 January 2026
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Public Audit Committee

Major Capital Projects

Meeting date: 29 June 2023

Richard Leonard

We are trying our best to be strategic this morning and not to get too much into pork-barrel politics, Mr Hoy.

I call the deputy convener.

Public Audit Committee

Major Capital Projects

Meeting date: 29 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Okay, but to again go back to Sharon Dowey’s point, why set a target if it is not an informed target that is realistic and achievable? I think that that is a legitimate question that we are posing this morning.

Another area relating to the restoration of nature is the investment in woodland, forestry and so on, which again is not quite meeting the target. Does that take the shape of grants to private landowners and to some of the equity funds that are involved in the carbon offset racket?

Public Audit Committee

Major Capital Projects

Meeting date: 29 June 2023

Richard Leonard

I turn to Alison Irvine for a particular area of interest, which is the whole question of net zero targets and what we are doing on transport. As you rightly say, that is first and foremost about getting people on to public transport. However, one of the other goals that the Government has set is on electric vehicle charging networks and so on. I noticed recently that an announcement was made that the Government was withdrawing from the EV charging network ChargePlace Scotland and leaving that to the private sector. Is that correct?

Public Audit Committee

Major Capital Projects

Meeting date: 29 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Choose your own words, Ms Irvine.

Public Audit Committee

Major Capital Projects

Meeting date: 29 June 2023

Richard Leonard

It is reported that £65 million of public expenditure has been invested in the EV charging network. What happens to that? Do we get it back?

Public Audit Committee

Major Capital Projects

Meeting date: 29 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Willie Coffey has got another question.

Public Audit Committee

Major Capital Projects

Meeting date: 29 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Okay, thanks. When we return after the summer recess, we are going to take more evidence on that with the director general for net zero, so we will get his assessment of that.

Data, measurement and assessment are really important to the Public Audit Committee, as is the word that Alison Cumming used: “transparency”. With that, I thank Alison Irvine, David Signorini, Alison Cumming and Kersti Berge for being transparent and giving us their time and empirical observations about how things work in Government on those questions that are important for all of us; it is greatly appreciated.

10:56 Meeting continued in private until 11:21.  

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of Scottish Canals”

Meeting date: 29 June 2023

Richard Leonard

We have two principal items on our agenda. The first is consideration of evidence on “The 2021/22 audit of Scottish Canals”. I welcome our three witnesses: we are joined by Stephen Boyle, the Auditor General for Scotland; Mark Taylor, the audit director at Audit Scotland; and Joanne Brown, who is a partner at Grant Thornton UK LLP.

We want to put quite a number of questions to you but, before we get to those, I ask the Auditor General to make a short opening statement.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of Scottish Canals”

Meeting date: 29 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much for setting the scene with that opening statement, which had a great deal of similarity with the evidence that we took around this time last year.

We will go straight to questions. I invite deputy convener Sharon Dowey to begin.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of Scottish Canals”

Meeting date: 29 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Thank you. That was very clear and we appreciate that. Craig Hoy has some questions.