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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 30 January 2026
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Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “How the Scottish Government is set up to deliver climate change goals”

Meeting date: 7 September 2023

Richard Leonard

Can I bring this back to something that you do have control of? You mentioned in response to Colin Beattie’s questions earlier that—partly, I presume, in the light of the Audit Scotland report—you had reviewed the governance arrangements and the balance of responsibility with regard to what was there formerly. That was described during the audit as the “engine room”—Mr Raines’s committee, the deputy director network—and you said that there has now been a shift very much towards what you keep referring to as the GCE board, which I presume is the global climate emergency board, if I understand it correctly.

Two things arise from that for the committee. First, can you send us a copy of the new governance structure as it is now constituted? Secondly—and it appears to me that you would have control over this—I understood from the answer to the direct question that the implication of that change in governance structure was that you will not be publishing the minutes of the deputy director network. Will you be publishing the minutes of the GCE board?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “How the Scottish Government is set up to deliver climate change goals”

Meeting date: 7 September 2023

Richard Leonard

The principal item on our agenda is consideration of the Audit Scotland report “How the Scottish Government is set up to deliver climate change goals: Governance and risk management arrangements for net zero targets and adaptation outcomes”—I might just use the shorter title for the remainder of the meeting.

We are pleased to welcome three witnesses from the Scottish Government to give us evidence on the report. Alongside Roy Brannen, who is the director general net zero, is Kersti Berge, who is the director of energy and climate change. They are joined by Phil Raines, who is the deputy director for domestic climate change.

We have a number of questions to ask but, before we get to them, I ask you to make a short opening statement, Mr Brannen.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “How the Scottish Government is set up to deliver climate change goals”

Meeting date: 7 September 2023

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much indeed, Mr Brannen. That sets out some helpful parameters that will guide us in asking our questions.

I ask the deputy convener, Sharon Dowey, to get us under way with some opening questions.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “How the Scottish Government is set up to deliver climate change goals”

Meeting date: 7 September 2023

Richard Leonard

We have a final couple of questions, which Willie Coffey will put.

Public Audit Committee

Major Capital Projects

Meeting date: 29 June 2023

Richard Leonard

To go back to Sharon Dowey’s point, I presume that those figures were not just plucked out of thin air. I presume that they were informed assessments of what was likely to be needed in order to help to meet the Government’s target.

Public Audit Committee

Major Capital Projects

Meeting date: 29 June 2023

Richard Leonard

I get that, but I also take cognisance of the fact that the previous First Minister declared that we have a climate emergency. That suggests that some fairly urgent action should be taken rather than a gradualist approach.

I do not know whether Mr Signorini can speak a little about what is happening with peatland restoration and why there is a hold-up there.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of Scottish Canals”

Meeting date: 29 June 2023

Richard Leonard

I will now bring in Willie Coffey, who has a suite of questions to ask.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of Scottish Canals”

Meeting date: 29 June 2023

Richard Leonard

One of the points in the report is that Scottish Canals needs to consider the value for money of its approach to valuations, including whether it is getting value for money from the consultants that it engages. Have you seen any evidence that it is doing that?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of Scottish Canals”

Meeting date: 29 June 2023

Richard Leonard

I will move on to a different question, which is about the leadership of the organisation. We are aware that the former chief executive of Scottish Canals left and that, as recently as May this year, a new chief executive started. Was there a gap before that position was filled and, if there was a gap, has that contributed to some of the difficulties?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of Scottish Canals”

Meeting date: 29 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Mark Taylor mentioned earlier that there had been a risk warning about this being a possibility as far back as 2012; we are almost a decade on and auditors are still issuing disclaimers. Some fundamental problems still exist, such as turbulence in the finance team and the leadership of the organisation, and so on. Why is Transport Scotland not injecting some stability into that equation?