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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 30 January 2026
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Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “How the Scottish Government is set up to deliver climate change goals”

Meeting date: 7 September 2023

Richard Leonard

So, the outcome is that we then get to see none of that, is it not, Mr Brannen?

09:45  

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “How the Scottish Government is set up to deliver climate change goals”

Meeting date: 7 September 2023

Richard Leonard

Okay. We are a bit pressed for time, so I am going to invite Willie Coffey to put a question to you.

Public Audit Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 7 September 2023

Richard Leonard

Good morning. I welcome everyone to the 21st meeting in 2023 of the Public Audit Committee.

The first item on our agenda is a declaration of interests. I invite Graham Simpson, who joins the committee in place of Craig Hoy, to declare any relevant interests.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “How the Scottish Government is set up to deliver climate change goals”

Meeting date: 7 September 2023

Richard Leonard

When can we expect to see that methodology?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “How the Scottish Government is set up to deliver climate change goals”

Meeting date: 7 September 2023

Richard Leonard

Thank you. I will bring you back in, Willie.

One thing that witnesses did not mention, but which is also quite important, is the electric vehicle charging network. You talked about “ramping up” when it comes to housing and buildings and so on, but you are selling off ChargePlace Scotland and withdrawing from that provision. I do not know whether it might be a question for the Cabinet sub-committee, Mr Brannen, because it might be a policy question, but why is it that the Government is pulling out of that £65 million-worth of investment in EV charge points and handing it over to the private sector?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “How the Scottish Government is set up to deliver climate change goals”

Meeting date: 7 September 2023

Richard Leonard

Okay.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “How the Scottish Government is set up to deliver climate change goals”

Meeting date: 7 September 2023

Richard Leonard

In answer to my last question, Mr Brannen, you said that you accepted in full the recommendations and findings of the Audit Scotland report. One of the starkest passages in the report is on page 16, is it not? I will quote what the Auditor General found. The report states that

“The Scottish Government does not routinely carry out carbon assessments or capture the impact of spending decisions on its carbon footprint in the long term.”

Secondly, it states that

“The Scottish Government does not assess how far the policies outlined in the Climate Change Plan Update will contribute to net zero”,

and, thirdly, it states that

“The Scottish Government does not know how much the policies proposed in the current Climate Change Plan Update will cost”.

What was your reaction to reading that in the report?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “How the Scottish Government is set up to deliver climate change goals”

Meeting date: 7 September 2023

Richard Leonard

In summary, you are saying that, by the time that we get the next climate change plan, all those criticisms will have been addressed.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “How the Scottish Government is set up to deliver climate change goals”

Meeting date: 7 September 2023

Richard Leonard

Mr Brannen, I know that you have reflected on the fact that we had an evidence session just before the summer recess on major capital projects, which covered some this ground, but how do you—as the director general of net zero and the accountable officer—account for some of the figures that we saw?

On the emergency energy technologies fund, the planned expenditure is £180 million, but the actual spend is £10 million. On the low-carbon manufacturing challenge fund, the planned expenditure is £26 million, but the actual expenditure is £750,000. On the heat network fund, the planned expenditure is £300 million, but the actual spend is £6.4 million. Finally, on the future transport fund bus priority investment, the planned expenditure is £495 million, but the actual spend is £26 million. Your are in charge of that. What is your reaction to that?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “How the Scottish Government is set up to deliver climate change goals”

Meeting date: 7 September 2023

Richard Leonard

Okay. On that note, I draw this morning’s evidence session to a close. I thank Roy Brannen, Kersti Berge and Phil Raines for their time and input—it has been very helpful for us. It may be that we would like to follow up a few things with you, which I am sure that you will be happy to co-operate with us on.

I close the public part of this meeting.

10:34 Meeting continued in private until 11:40.