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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 16 November 2023
Richard Leonard
Our main agenda item is further consideration of the report by the Auditor General for Scotland and the Accounts Commission on adult mental health. The meeting will have a round-table format, which is intended to promote discussion among participants, rather than just having questions from committee members and answers from those taking part. I hope that we can have a fairly free-flowing discussion to elicit the evidence that will be useful to us in forming our recommendations and drawing our conclusions.
The people who are joining us remotely are very welcome. If you want to come in at any point, please put RTS—request to speak—in the chat function or indicate there that you want to come in, and we will try to bring you in. Those who are in the committee room with us should indicate to me or to the clerks that they want to come in, and we will do our best to bring them in.
Those who are in the room and those who are joining us remotely should not feel obliged to answer every question; we will bring in the people who want to make a contribution. Those who are joining us remotely should keep their camera and audio switched on at all times, and we will turn the audio on when someone is about to contribute.
I begin by asking the witnesses who are joining us to introduce themselves, beginning with the people in the room.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 16 November 2023
Richard Leonard
Do you discern any impacts of the cost of living crisis on people’s mental health and the demand placed on the health service?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 16 November 2023
Richard Leonard
Pavan Srireddy, do you have a perspective on that from a psychiatrist’s point of view? I was going to say “from the psychiatrist’s chair”, but I probably should not say that.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 16 November 2023
Richard Leonard
I will move on shortly to Graham Simpson, who has a question about the role of the police, but first I will bring in Christiana Melam, who wants to comment on this area before we move off it.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 16 November 2023
Richard Leonard
Sorry to interrupt. It is just to alert you to the fact that Mike Burns, Pavan Srireddy and Chris Williams also want to come in on the question.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 16 November 2023
Richard Leonard
Again, we are quite tight for time so I will bring in Mike Burns, whom we have not heard from for a while. Will you comment on vacancy turnover rates and the whole staffing picture, Mike?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 16 November 2023
Richard Leonard
Thanks—that is helpful.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 16 November 2023
Richard Leonard
They do. I will bring them in before you go on to your next question, if that is okay. I am conscious that Unison has a lot of mental health nurses among its membership, so Stephen Low might have a view. I will come to him in a second. However, first—remotely—both Christiana Melam and Mike Burns want to come in on those points.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 16 November 2023
Richard Leonard
Chris Williams wants to have a go at answering that question.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 16 November 2023
Richard Leonard
The question is on the governance architecture and whether it works and fits together well. Dr Williams is indicating that he wants to come in first and if other people have a view, just let us know. You do not have to have a view, of course.