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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 30 November 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “How the Scottish Government is set to deliver climate change goals”

Meeting date: 18 May 2023

Richard Leonard

There is a sense—I picked this up from your report and the Scottish Government’s just transition commission’s recommendations—that there is a degree of impatience that the climate emergency was declared back in 2019, but, in 2023, some fairly basic building blocks are still not in place in a way that we would perhaps expect.

One of the things that struck me—this picks up on Sally Thompson’s comments—is exhibit 3 in the report, which refers to what you describe as “by exception” reporting being in place between key Government groups. In other words, there is no routine, systematic or regular collaboration in that sense. I am not saying that that happens by chance, but it does not routinely happen. Do you have any comments on that?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “How the Scottish Government is set to deliver climate change goals”

Meeting date: 18 May 2023

Richard Leonard

On a similar theme, you draw attention in the report to the deputy director network, which you describe as a

“key climate change governance body”.

It seems to operate informally, so I again ask the basic question: does that network produce minutes?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “How the Scottish Government is set to deliver climate change goals”

Meeting date: 18 May 2023

Richard Leonard

Thank you. I will move things along now and invite Craig Hoy to put some questions to you.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “How the Scottish Government is set to deliver climate change goals”

Meeting date: 18 May 2023

Richard Leonard

I will continue with the theme of risk management in the final series of questions that we want to put you. Towards the end of the report, we read a reference to an exercise that took place in summer of 2022 inside the net zero directorate, which took part in what you describe as a risk housekeeping exercise. The result of that housekeeping exercise was the conclusion that the net zero directorate demonstrated a maturity level of novice to organised. My understanding is that that means that the directorate had only just started to implement processes that were in line with Scottish Government guidelines. It was at a very early stage—a novice stage—in that regard.

Do you have a concern about that, given that this is the directorate that is supposed to be showing leadership and driving forward this agenda across the whole of Government?

Public Audit Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 18 May 2023

Richard Leonard

Good morning. I welcome everyone to the 15th meeting in 2023 of the Public Audit Committee. The first agenda item is for the committee to consider whether to take agenda items 3, 4, 5 and 6 in private. Is that agreed?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “How the Scottish Government is set to deliver climate change goals”

Meeting date: 18 May 2023

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much. We now move to another area that has been highlighted in the report and which Willie Coffey has some questions on.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “How the Scottish Government is set to deliver climate change goals”

Meeting date: 18 May 2023

Richard Leonard

Okay.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “How the Scottish Government is set to deliver climate change goals”

Meeting date: 18 May 2023

Richard Leonard

Okay; thank you.

Obviously, the committee will have to consider whether it would be useful for us to invite officials from DG net zero to give evidence to us. If we decided to do that, we could put to them directly some of the questions that have arisen from our session with you.

I thank the Auditor General very much for the evidence that he has led this morning, and I thank Rebecca Seidel and Sally Thompson for the very useful evidence that they have contributed.

For the record, I should have mentioned at the start that Colin Beattie has submitted his apologies for not being at today’s meeting. I wanted to have that recorded.

I close the public part of the meeting and move us into private session.

10:08 Meeting continued in private until 11:03.  

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “How the Scottish Government is set to deliver climate change goals”

Meeting date: 18 May 2023

Richard Leonard

The principal item on this morning’s agenda is for us to consider an important report, which the Auditor General published in April. The report relates to audit work that was conducted up until March, so it is very up to date in both data and analysis, and looks into how the Scottish Government is set to deliver climate change goals.

I welcome our witnesses. Stephen Boyle is the Auditor General for Scotland. Alongside him are Rebecca Seidel and Sally Thompson, both of whom are senior managers at Audit Scotland.

As usual, we have quite a wide range of questions to put to you, but before we get into them, I ask the Auditor General to give us an opening statement.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “How the Scottish Government is set to deliver climate change goals”

Meeting date: 18 May 2023

Richard Leonard

Okay. Obviously, part of our role as a parliamentary committee with an interest in this area is to hold Government to account and it might be that we will consider taking up what you have just told us.

Another thing struck me in relation to the point about transparency. Does the GCE programme board publish minutes, for example? Does it have minutes? If so, are they in the public domain?