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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 1 June 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Major Information and Communications Technology Projects

Meeting date: 8 December 2022

Richard Leonard

When you gave evidence in March, I think that you said that there is, understandably, a group composed of officials that has oversight of those things. I think that you said that there is a minister-led body, as well, in which COSLA is involved.

Public Audit Committee

Major Information and Communications Technology Projects

Meeting date: 8 December 2022

Richard Leonard

Why does the note tell us that the expected start date is November 2022, not spring 2023?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s public finances: Challenges and risks”

Meeting date: 1 December 2022

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much for setting the scene. We have quite a number of questions on the areas that you have already identified as being critical to the assessment that you have made.

I will ask you first about the timing of the briefing. Obviously, it came out prior to the Chancellor of the Exchequer’s autumn statement, which was made on 17 November. Why produce it prior to that statement? Why not produce it after the statement had been delivered?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s public finances: Challenges and risks”

Meeting date: 1 December 2022

Richard Leonard

The principal item on our agenda is consideration of the recent Audit Scotland report, “Scotland’s public finances: Challenges and risks”. I welcome our witnesses, Fiona Diggle, who is a manager at Audit Scotland; Richard Robinson, who is a senior manager at Audit Scotland; and the Auditor General for Scotland. You are very welcome. I also welcome Liz Smith, who joins the committee this morning for this part of our agenda. We will all have a series of questions to put on the briefing, but I first invite the Auditor General to make a short opening statement.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s public finances: Challenges and risks”

Meeting date: 1 December 2022

Richard Leonard

I will move to another area. You will not be surprised to learn that I was drawn very much to paragraph 42, in which you spell out once again that

“there remains a need for a public consolidated account to provide a comprehensive and transparent assessment of the state of Scotland’s public finances.”

Our trying to get that has been something of a mission for you and the Public Audit Committee. What progress is being made in attaining it?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s public finances: Challenges and risks”

Meeting date: 1 December 2022

Richard Leonard

We have a few minutes left, so I invite Liz Smith to ask a couple of questions.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s public finances: Challenges and risks”

Meeting date: 1 December 2022

Richard Leonard

Early in the briefing, you quote the Scottish Government’s assessment that it faces

“significant financial challenges”.

Sharon Dowey has a series of questions that address that.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s public finances: Challenges and risks”

Meeting date: 1 December 2022

Richard Leonard

That would be great. You are well versed in dealing with complicated matters and in giving us succinct reports, so thanks for that.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s public finances: Challenges and risks”

Meeting date: 1 December 2022

Richard Leonard

I need to refer members to my entry in the register of interests. I want to ask a little bit more about wages and salaries, because that issue is part of your public sector reform agenda and you have mentioned it a couple of times this morning already. Economists often look at wages and salaries as a percentage of overall gross domestic product in the economy as a whole. Have you looked at wages and salaries as a percentage of public expenditure in Scotland over, say, the past decade? Is the percentage going up or down, or is it about the same? If you are not able to supply that information immediately, it would be of great interest if you could follow that up.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s public finances: Challenges and risks”

Meeting date: 1 December 2022

Richard Leonard

I conclude the evidence session by thanking Fiona Diggle, Richard Robinson and the Auditor General for the time and evidence that they have given us. We agreed that it would be useful for you to follow up some issues and get back to us on them, and we would welcome receiving that information when you are able to give it to us.

We will now move into private session.

10:22 Meeting continued in private until 11:40.