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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 23 November 2023
Richard Leonard
I am sorry, Simon, but I think that Hannah Axon wants to come in on that question. Do you want to come in on that question as well as on your earlier point?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 23 November 2023
Richard Leonard
I think that Fiona Davies and Simon Burt indicated that they wanted to come in on the data question. Does Fiona Davies want to come in first? I will then bring in Simon Burt. I do not know whether Pamela Cremin has a view on that, as well, before we move on.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 23 November 2023
Richard Leonard
Thank you for that forbearance, Willie, it is much appreciated.
May I come back on that very last point, Richmond? You talked about CAMHS, which is extremely important to all of us, and it is something that the Parliament has concerned itself a great deal with. This report is about adult mental health, so can you tell us a little bit more about what data collection there is on people’s experience of adult mental health, and what those outcomes are?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 23 November 2023
Richard Leonard
Jo Gibson, thank you very much for that perspective. It is a really good note on which to conclude our evidence session this morning.
I thank everyone who has taken part. I am sorry that we have had some technical difficulties, which has meant that not everyone has been able to hear everything and we have not been able to hear you as much as we would have liked. Apologies for that.
I thank our witnesses—those who joined us online, and Hannah and Richmond, who joined us in the committee room. It has been a valuable session for us. We have gathered a lot of important evidence, and we will have discussions about how best we can marshal that evidence in order to improve the resourcing of and support for the important work that you do and of which you have oversight. Thank you very much.
10:50 Meeting continued in private until 11:25.Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 23 November 2023
Richard Leonard
Good morning. I welcome everyone to the 30th meeting in 2023 of the Public Audit Committee. I am very pleased to welcome to the public gallery members of the Public Accounts and Public Administration Committee of the Welsh Senedd. Thank you for being here.
The first item on our agenda is a decision on whether to take agenda items 3 and 4 in private. Do we agree to take those items in private?
Members indicated agreement.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 23 November 2023
Richard Leonard
We turn to the principal item on our agenda, which is further consideration of the joint report on adult mental health by the Auditor General for Scotland and the Accounts Commission. I welcome our witnesses to the meeting.
The committee is taking evidence in a round-table format, which is intended to promote discussion between witnesses and participants, so feel free to interact. If anyone in the room wishes to come in on the discussion, indicate as such and one of the clerks will pick that up, and we will do our level best to bring you in. Those who are joining us online are very welcome. If you want to come in further to any times when we direct questions to you, you should use the chat room function and type in “request to speak” or “RTS” or use any other term to communicate the fact that you want to come in on a particular question. We have some time constraints, so do not feel obliged to come in on every single question. I will do my level best to bring in as many of you as possible, but experience tells us that there might be occasions when we cannot bring in everybody on every question.
I also say to those who are joining us remotely that the broadcasting team has set up your audio and camera, so you do not need to do anything with those. You should keep them on at all times, and, when it is your turn to speak, we will make sure that your audio is on so that we can all hear you.
As is customary with a round-table format, I will ask everybody who is taking part to introduce themselves and tell us which organisation they are from. I start by turning to the people who are joining us in the committee room.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 23 November 2023
Richard Leonard
Finally, last but not least, please introduce yourself, Tracey.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 23 November 2023
Richard Leonard
Does Public Health Scotland dig into the reasons why there are such stark variances in areas that cover similar population types?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 23 November 2023
Richard Leonard
I do not know whether you saw the evidence session that we had last week. Kirsten Urquhart from Young Scot took part and, regarding young people, said:
“going on TikTok is not the same as knowing where to find and how to use a mental health support tool.”—[Official Report, Public Audit Committee, 9 November, c.9.]
In other words, she was saying that, among younger adults, there were issues around whether they could access online appointments or whether they, too, would prefer face-to-face appointments.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 23 November 2023
Richard Leonard
It is also in line with the Christie commission principles about early intervention being absolutely critical, which we talk about so much at the Public Audit Committee. Thank you for that. Simon Burt and Jo Gibson want to come in on that question, too.