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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Public Audit Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 7 December 2023

Richard Leonard

Good morning, and welcome, everybody, to the 32nd meeting in 2023 of the Public Audit Committee. We have received apologies from Colin Beattie.

The first agenda item for members to consider is whether to take items 3, 4 and 5 in private. Do we agree to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”

Meeting date: 7 December 2023

Richard Leonard

Okay. We have some questions about the European structural and investment funds that Willie Coffey wants to lead on.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”

Meeting date: 7 December 2023

Richard Leonard

Okay, but there is mention in the report of associated risk, which would be of interest to the committee.

May I just check something, Carole? You mentioned March: will you get an answer by March on whether the Government will conduct a review, or will it have conducted the review by March?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”

Meeting date: 7 December 2023

Richard Leonard

Okay. That is helpful.

I will move on to the final area, which is climate change. You mentioned some of the difficulties—to put it diplomatically—that surrounded the deposit return scheme. Do you have a view on the likelihood that the new projected timeframe of implementation by October 2025 will be met?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”

Meeting date: 7 December 2023

Richard Leonard

Okay—go on then.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”

Meeting date: 7 December 2023

Richard Leonard

Thank you. Of course, the progress that we are making towards the net zero targets and decarbonisation remains central to the considerations of the Public Audit Committee.

On that note, I thank you, Auditor General, and I thank Richard, Helen and Carole, for the evidence that you have given us this morning. It has been very useful, as always. It has triggered some potential areas into which we might dig a little deeper, and it has given us plenty of information to consider if and when we have an evidence session with the permanent secretary. Thank you very much.

I now move the committee into private session.

10:57 Meeting continued in private until 11:21.  

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”

Meeting date: 7 December 2023

Richard Leonard

Absolutely. I will throw into the pot the fact that the GFG Alliance is being investigated by the Serious Fraud Office.

Before we move to another area of questioning, I will take you back to what you told us on 27 January last year. You said:

“there is an increasing likelihood that the guarantee will be called upon.”—[Official Report, Public Audit Committee, 27 January 2022; c 7.]

Do you have an update on where you stand on that question?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”

Meeting date: 7 December 2023

Richard Leonard

Judging from the reaction around the table, it probably would be of interest.

I will finish with a fairly easy question. Is the Government on track to meet its legally binding net zero targets by 2045, which would be five years ahead of the rest of the UK?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”

Meeting date: 7 December 2023

Richard Leonard

Okay. Thank you. I will move things along. Sorry—Graham Simpson wants to come in.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”

Meeting date: 7 December 2023

Richard Leonard

Fine. Thanks for clarifying that. Graham, do you want to come in on this area, or will I go to Willie Rennie to talk about shared services?