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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 30 November 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Major Capital Projects

Meeting date: 29 June 2023

Richard Leonard

We are a bit pushed for time, so we cannot go into too much detail about particular projects. We have questions about specific projects, so we will come back to those in the course of the discussion over the next three quarters of an hour.

Willie Coffey has some questions.

Public Audit Committee

Major Capital Projects

Meeting date: 29 June 2023

Richard Leonard

I will pick up on that theme. Sharon Dowey mentioned the bus priority improvements under the future transport fund. I presume that that involves building bus lanes and ensuring that buses get priority in traffic, even across the Sheriffhall roundabout.

When we look at the budget headings, we see that the planned expenditure on that was £495 million, but only £26 million has been spent. There is £300 million in the budget for Scotland’s heat network, but only £6.4 million has been spent. There is £26 million in the budget for the low-carbon manufacturing challenge fund, but only £750,000 has been spent. There is a planned spend of £180 million on the emergency energy technologies fund, but only £10 million has been spent.

I do not want to miss out Mr Signorini. The peatland underspend has been a bit of an issue as well, has it not? I know that Rhoda Grant has written to the cabinet secretary, who has confirmed that the underspend on peatland restoration in 2020-21 was £12 million and that it was £7.4 million in 2021-22. Why is there such slow progress in those areas?

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Public Audit Committee

Major Capital Projects

Meeting date: 29 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Sure.

Public Audit Committee

Major Capital Projects

Meeting date: 29 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Who will own those charge points in the future?

Public Audit Committee

Major Capital Projects

Meeting date: 29 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Thank you—fair enough. Just one other thing from me before I go to Bill Kidd again, and that is a question about the assessment and cost benefit analysis that is made on road improvement projects such as on the A83 or whatever it is. How do you reconcile that with the net zero targets? What criteria is used in order to say, “Yes, that’s going ahead,” or, “No, that is not going ahead.” What criteria is used in order to say, “Yes, that’s been prioritised,” or, “No, that’s been deprioritised?”

Public Audit Committee

Major Capital Projects

Meeting date: 29 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Thank you. That was very helpful.

Can I ask each of you if you have got any reflections on the recent Audit Scotland report that spoke about the extent to which there is joined-up working across Government in pursuit of net zero targets?

I will read out a couple of the conclusions from the report. The Auditor General said:

“The Scottish Government does not routinely carry out carbon assessments or capture the impact of spending decisions on its carbon footprint in the long term.”

He also said:

“The Scottish Government does not assess how far the policies outlined in the Climate Change Plan Update will contribute to net zero.”

Finally, he said:

“The Scottish Government does not know how much the policies proposed in the current Climate Change Plan Update will cost”.

Do you think that that is a fair assessment? We will start with Alison Cumming.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of Scottish Canals”

Meeting date: 29 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Before I move on to Craig Hoy, I note that when we took evidence last year from Transport Scotland, it described the situation as it was then as “a fairly narrow point” and, again, said:

“it is a narrow point about the evaluation of assets.”—[Official Report, Public Audit Committee, 24 March 2022; c 14.]

Is that how you would characterise it?

Meeting of the Commission

Audit Scotland Annual Report and Accounts for the year to 31 March 2023 and Auditor’s Report on the Accounts

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Okay. Thanks. In his opening remarks, Professor Alexander talked about the organisation considering “our purpose”. I think that most of us would consider the primary purpose to be to carry out audits of public bodies. From those figures, it appears that you are not making the progress that we would want to see. I would like to understand from you the extent to which that is to do with timeliness issues among the bodies that you are auditing versus timeliness issues in your own organisation.

Meeting of the Commission

Audit Scotland Annual Report and Accounts for the year to 31 March 2023 and Auditor’s Report on the Accounts

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Do you know when you will get back to pre-pandemic levels of completion?

Meeting of the Commission

Audit Scotland Annual Report and Accounts for the year to 31 March 2023 and Auditor’s Report on the Accounts

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Good morning. Key message number 1 in the report says:

“We are making progress in returning the timeliness of our financial audit to pre-pandemic timescales but have more work to do.”

As I read them, the figures in the report are that, two years ago, 82 per cent of audits were delivered to schedule. A year ago, it was 75 per cent, and in this report, it is 51 per cent. That does not sound to me like progress, but perhaps you could explain those figures.