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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 30 November 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “How the Scottish Government is set up to deliver climate change goals”

Meeting date: 7 September 2023

Richard Leonard

Mr Brannen, I know that you have reflected on the fact that we had an evidence session just before the summer recess on major capital projects, which covered some this ground, but how do you—as the director general of net zero and the accountable officer—account for some of the figures that we saw?

On the emergency energy technologies fund, the planned expenditure is £180 million, but the actual spend is £10 million. On the low-carbon manufacturing challenge fund, the planned expenditure is £26 million, but the actual expenditure is £750,000. On the heat network fund, the planned expenditure is £300 million, but the actual spend is £6.4 million. Finally, on the future transport fund bus priority investment, the planned expenditure is £495 million, but the actual spend is £26 million. Your are in charge of that. What is your reaction to that?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “How the Scottish Government is set up to deliver climate change goals”

Meeting date: 7 September 2023

Richard Leonard

Okay. On that note, I draw this morning’s evidence session to a close. I thank Roy Brannen, Kersti Berge and Phil Raines for their time and input—it has been very helpful for us. It may be that we would like to follow up a few things with you, which I am sure that you will be happy to co-operate with us on.

I close the public part of this meeting.

10:34 Meeting continued in private until 11:40.  

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “How the Scottish Government is set up to deliver climate change goals”

Meeting date: 7 September 2023

Richard Leonard

Can I bring this back to something that you do have control of? You mentioned in response to Colin Beattie’s questions earlier that—partly, I presume, in the light of the Audit Scotland report—you had reviewed the governance arrangements and the balance of responsibility with regard to what was there formerly. That was described during the audit as the “engine room”—Mr Raines’s committee, the deputy director network—and you said that there has now been a shift very much towards what you keep referring to as the GCE board, which I presume is the global climate emergency board, if I understand it correctly.

Two things arise from that for the committee. First, can you send us a copy of the new governance structure as it is now constituted? Secondly—and it appears to me that you would have control over this—I understood from the answer to the direct question that the implication of that change in governance structure was that you will not be publishing the minutes of the deputy director network. Will you be publishing the minutes of the GCE board?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “How the Scottish Government is set up to deliver climate change goals”

Meeting date: 7 September 2023

Richard Leonard

The principal item on our agenda is consideration of the Audit Scotland report “How the Scottish Government is set up to deliver climate change goals: Governance and risk management arrangements for net zero targets and adaptation outcomes”—I might just use the shorter title for the remainder of the meeting.

We are pleased to welcome three witnesses from the Scottish Government to give us evidence on the report. Alongside Roy Brannen, who is the director general net zero, is Kersti Berge, who is the director of energy and climate change. They are joined by Phil Raines, who is the deputy director for domestic climate change.

We have a number of questions to ask but, before we get to them, I ask you to make a short opening statement, Mr Brannen.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “How the Scottish Government is set up to deliver climate change goals”

Meeting date: 7 September 2023

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much indeed, Mr Brannen. That sets out some helpful parameters that will guide us in asking our questions.

I ask the deputy convener, Sharon Dowey, to get us under way with some opening questions.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “How the Scottish Government is set up to deliver climate change goals”

Meeting date: 7 September 2023

Richard Leonard

We have a final couple of questions, which Willie Coffey will put.

Public Audit Committee

Major Capital Projects

Meeting date: 29 June 2023

Richard Leonard

To go back to Sharon Dowey’s point, I presume that those figures were not just plucked out of thin air. I presume that they were informed assessments of what was likely to be needed in order to help to meet the Government’s target.

Public Audit Committee

Major Capital Projects

Meeting date: 29 June 2023

Richard Leonard

I get that, but I also take cognisance of the fact that the previous First Minister declared that we have a climate emergency. That suggests that some fairly urgent action should be taken rather than a gradualist approach.

I do not know whether Mr Signorini can speak a little about what is happening with peatland restoration and why there is a hold-up there.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of Scottish Canals”

Meeting date: 29 June 2023

Richard Leonard

I will now bring in Willie Coffey, who has a suite of questions to ask.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of Scottish Canals”

Meeting date: 29 June 2023

Richard Leonard

One of the points in the report is that Scottish Canals needs to consider the value for money of its approach to valuations, including whether it is getting value for money from the consultants that it engages. Have you seen any evidence that it is doing that?