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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 25 January 2024
Richard Leonard
Okay—thank you.
My second quick question is one that we have addressed in relation to a number of other reports: the question of induction training for members of the health board. Do they get such training in NHS Forth Valley?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 25 January 2024
Richard Leonard
So that is not an issue that you have identified or that was identified by the John Brown inquiry.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 25 January 2024
Richard Leonard
Okay. On that note, I draw the evidence session to a close. I thank you, Auditor General, for the evidence that you have given us, and I thank Pat Kenny and Rebbecca McConnachie from Deloitte and Leigh Johnston from Audit Scotland for the evidence that they have shared with us.
I now draw the public session to a close and move the committee into private session.
10:32 Meeting continued in private until 11:06.Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 25 January 2024
Richard Leonard
The substantive item on our agenda is consideration of a section 22 report, “The 2022-23 audit of NHS Forth Valley”. I welcome our four witnesses: Stephen Boyle, Auditor General for Scotland; Pat Kenny, associate partner, audit and assurance, at Deloitte; Rebbecca McConnachie, senior manager at Deloitte; and Leigh Johnston, senior manager at Audit Scotland.
We have a number of questions to put to you, based on the report that was produced into the performance of NHS Forth Valley but, before we get to those, I invite the Auditor General to give a short opening statement.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 25 January 2024
Richard Leonard
Thank you. Graham Simpson wants to come in with a question in that area.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 25 January 2024
Richard Leonard
So it is not a function of, for example, the level of vacancies or of a particular sickness absence rate in NHS Forth Valley.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 25 January 2024
Richard Leonard
We are drawing towards a close, but I have just a couple of quick questions. Auditor General, you mentioned the importance of staff being listened to, and you referred, for example, to whistleblowing. However, is it not the case that staff being listened to is not just about individual whistleblowers using public interest disclosure, but that it is also about routine collective listening—for example, listening to trade unions and their health and safety forums—as well as partnership working?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 25 January 2024
Richard Leonard
I wonder about that, though, based on your experience. I was quite taken aback when the assurance board said to me and other elected representatives who were taking part in that discussion that it could be years before de-escalation takes place. Is that the sense that you get? Is it the experience that we have had with other health boards that have been escalated to level 4?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 25 January 2024
Richard Leonard
Did you say 8 per cent?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 25 January 2024
Richard Leonard
Picking up on some of the themes that were developing there, Graham Simpson has some questions on the assurance board, leadership and culture.