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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of NHS Forth Valley”

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Richard Leonard

Where are we with staff vacancy rates and so on?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of NHS Forth Valley”

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Richard Leonard

As has been suggested by other members of the committee, it might be useful if you could follow that up in writing with some more up-to-date information, so that we have that data on the record.

My final reflection follows on from the deputy convener’s previous salient question. Three of you are very new to what are very senior positions in the health board. Did the people who left go through any kind of exit interview?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of NHS Forth Valley”

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Richard Leonard

Do not misunderstand me: I am not asking you to send us copies, with people’s reasons for leaving, as a matter of public record; I am just asking whether, as a matter of good practice, you are monitoring those reasons so that you can establish if there are trends or other things.

Public Audit Committee

“Decarbonising heat in homes”

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Richard Leonard

Okay, but a recurring theme has come out in the report. The third recommendation in the report talks about the need to

“identify the staff numbers and skills”

required. It sounds as if a good old-fashioned workforce plan—which we speak about a lot at the Public Audit Committee—is needed. Is that in place? If it is not yet in place, what arrangements are under way to ensure that it is? Where are we on progress with that?

Public Audit Committee

“Decarbonising heat in homes”

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Richard Leonard

I do not know whether you have—or are willing to state on the record—a view on the dilution of targets in some cases and their abandonment in others. The original target was that, by 2030, 1 million homes out of the 2.5 million in Scotland would be converted, and that we would see a complete phasing out of all new gas boilers by around those target dates. We would also have 22 per cent of heat being generated by renewables; that percentage relates not to the number of households but to the measure of heat. All those targets seem to have been dropped.

Public Audit Committee

“Decarbonising heat in homes”

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Richard Leonard

Your report certainly indicates that you are calling into question some of those targets. There is also a credibility question, about whether the scale of change is sufficient. There are 2.5 million households in Scotland, but you refer to only 26,000 households having had heat pumps installed. That represents a completion rate of around 1 per cent, which, by my rough arithmetic, leaves more than 98 per cent of households having not had those conversions.

Public Audit Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 22 February 2024

Richard Leonard

Good morning. I welcome everyone to the sixth meeting in 2024 of the Public Audit Committee.

Before I turn to the agenda, I place on record my thanks for the contribution that has been made to the committee by Sharon Dowey, who stepped down last week as deputy convener of the Public Audit Committee. She was a highly valued member of the team, and I valued her greatly as deputy convener.

Under the first item on the agenda, I welcome Jamie Greene and invite him to declare any relevant interests.

Public Audit Committee

Deputy Convener

Meeting date: 22 February 2024

Richard Leonard

Under the second item, the committee must agree a new deputy convener. The Parliament has agreed that only members of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party are eligible to be chosen as deputy convener of the Public Audit Committee, and I understand that the party has nominated Jamie Greene for the role. Do members agree to the nomination of Jamie Greene as deputy convener?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee

Deputy Convener

Meeting date: 22 February 2024

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much. I congratulate you on your appointment, Jamie. I look forward very much to working with you.

Public Audit Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 22 February 2024

Richard Leonard

The third item on our agenda is a decision on taking agenda items 5, 6 and 8 in private. Do members of the committee agree to taking those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.