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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 29 November 2025
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Public Audit Committee

“Investing in Scotland’s infrastructure”

Meeting date: 2 November 2023

Richard Leonard

Can you clarify that, in all cases, the consideration is absorption into the public sector, and that the Scottish Futures Trust is not advising the Government on other options such as extending the PFI deal or bringing in a different contractor. I realise that a lot of the contracts were build as well as operate, but I wonder whether that is also a consideration.

Public Audit Committee

“Investing in Scotland’s infrastructure”

Meeting date: 2 November 2023

Richard Leonard

My final question perhaps picks up some of that. In the briefing paper, you state:

“Strong leadership is needed ... to deliver the reform ambitions.”

That certainly echoes what the committee in session 5 felt was a recurring theme: the absence of strong leadership, or perhaps the importance of strong leadership in driving through some of these improvements and reforms. What is your sense of where we are with that? Have you seen much evidence of that?

Public Audit Committee

“Investing in Scotland’s infrastructure”

Meeting date: 2 November 2023

Richard Leonard

That is very helpful. You are raising questions that we probably need to put directly to the Government. I have a quick question before I bring Willie Coffey then Graham Simpson back in. You have mentioned a couple of times the national treatment centres and the role that it was hoped they would fulfil. However, it is recorded in the report that the cost of the programme has more than doubled, while the delivery of the programme is at least three years late and counting. Does that suggest that the national treatment centre programme will be, or needs to be, scaled back?

Public Audit Committee

“Investing in Scotland’s infrastructure”

Meeting date: 2 November 2023

Richard Leonard

That is a very fair point. Willie Coffey wants to come in on revenue-financed projects.

Public Audit Committee

“Investing in Scotland’s infrastructure”

Meeting date: 2 November 2023

Richard Leonard

Colin Beattie has a very short question in this area.

Public Audit Committee

“Investing in Scotland’s infrastructure”

Meeting date: 2 November 2023

Richard Leonard

My final area of questioning is twofold. First, you mentioned the importance of assessing the impact on communities of any changes to infrastructure, and my question on that is: to your knowledge, have there been any such impact assessments?

10:30  

Related to that, one of the other kind of high-falutin’ duties that exists—it is referenced in endnote 5 of the report—is the equality and fairer Scotland duty. A statement was published on the Government website about how that duty applies to infrastructure investment. Is there any evidence of equality and fairer Scotland duty assessments being undertaken with regard to infrastructure projects?

So, my questions are about community and the equality and fairer Scotland duty.

Public Audit Committee

“Investing in Scotland’s infrastructure”

Meeting date: 2 November 2023

Richard Leonard

I thank Dharshi Santhakumaran, Ashleigh Madjitey and the Auditor General very much indeed for what has been a very useful evidence session for the committee.

I close the public part of the meeting, and we will now move into private session.

10:36 Meeting continued in private until 10:58.  

Public Audit Committee

“Investing in Scotland’s infrastructure”

Meeting date: 2 November 2023

Richard Leonard

That is fine. I will bring you back in shortly.

Let us move on. You have mentioned the issues around revenue-financed projects a couple of times. Colin Beattie has some questions to put to you on that.

Public Audit Committee

“Investing in Scotland’s infrastructure”

Meeting date: 2 November 2023

Richard Leonard

I presume that Addiewell is newer than Kilmarnock.

Public Audit Committee

“Investing in Scotland’s infrastructure”

Meeting date: 2 November 2023

Richard Leonard

Thanks. I now invite Graham Simpson to put some more questions to you.