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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 7 March 2024
Richard Leonard
Good morning. I welcome everyone to the eighth meeting in 2024 of the Public Audit Committee.
The first item of business on our agenda was to consider our work programme in private, which we have now successfully done.
Agenda item 2 is a decision whether to take agenda items 4 and 5 in private. Does the committee agree to do so?
Members indicated agreement.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 7 March 2024
Richard Leonard
I hope that you are not going to test me, director general.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 7 March 2024
Richard Leonard
Members of the committee will probe those issues in a bit more detail.
During the evidence session that we had with the Auditor General in November, he welcomed the single Scottish estate approach as a useful first step, but it was pretty clear from what he told us that he felt that it fell short of what was really required. In other words, operational buildings are not part of that approach, or certainly were not at the point at which he was putting together his briefing. Do you have any reflections on that? His view, which the committee shares, is that it is important that consideration is given to how the whole estate can be properly used and maximised.
In recent weeks, we have taken evidence about the fact that parts of our infrastructure—whether in our prisons or the health service—are reaching the end of their lives; in many cases, they have gone beyond the end of their expected lives. How are you approaching the development of a single Scottish estate approach that also takes into account the operational buildings?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 7 March 2024
Richard Leonard
Can I pick you up on the point about different governance arrangements? Are you saying that they are an impediment and that they prevent you from doing that, or are you saying something different?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 7 March 2024
Richard Leonard
We will have more questions about the estates and so on shortly, but I now turn to Colin Beattie, who has some points to put to you.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 7 March 2024
Richard Leonard
Thank you for that undertaking, director general.
I will bring in the deputy convener, Jamie Greene.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 7 March 2024
Richard Leonard
That is capital only.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 7 March 2024
Richard Leonard
I do not think that the committee needs examples of Scottish National Investment Bank portfolio investments; we can look those up elsewhere.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 7 March 2024
Richard Leonard
The principal item on our agenda this morning is an evidence-taking session on the Auditor General for Scotland’s briefing paper, “Investing in Scotland’s infrastructure”. I welcome our witnesses, who have joined us in the committee room.
I am pleased to say that we are joined by the director general of the Scottish exchequer, Alyson Stafford. Alongside her are witnesses from the Scottish Government: Morag Angus, chief surveyor; Dr Alison Cumming, director of budget and public spending; and Alan Morrison, deputy director of health infrastructure, investment and personal protective equipment. We are also joined by Alison Irvine, interim chief executive, Transport Scotland, and Peter Reekie, chief executive, Scottish Futures Trust.
In light of the timetabling this morning, we have agreed that there will be no opening statement and that we will go straight to questions. I will begin by asking the director general of the Scottish exchequer a straightforward question: is there any change to the Scottish Government’s capital allocation following yesterday’s budget statement?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 7 March 2024
Richard Leonard
Okay. Is that a reduction in the block grant figure? Changes are also projected to be made in the financial transactions sums that you get, are they not?