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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 23 May 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 1 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Again, Mr Tydeman, you understand that a quarter of a million pounds of public money has been spent on that piece of work, and we are told that we can have no sight of it whatsoever.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 1 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Okay. Mr Tydeman or Mr Miller, do you have any reflections on the bonus payments? We are talking about the report that was produced by Audit Scotland, which drew particular attention to £87,000 that was paid out, based on a 17.5 per cent bonus payment that was made to certain senior members of the team.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 1 June 2023

Richard Leonard

That is an interesting analysis, Mr Miller. What about having good regard to public accountability? In the end, we are talking about a project—a procurement for two vessels that are five years late, and counting, and three and a half times over budget. In that environment—as, I think, Mr Coffey said when the Auditor General was here—it beggars belief that bonus payments have been made.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 1 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Ah—so we have a little bit more information about the FMI report.

I invite Craig Hoy to ask a round of questions.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 1 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Mr Cook, do you have any reflections?

Public Audit Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 1 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Good morning. I welcome everyone to the 16th meeting of the Public Audit Committee in 2023. We have apologies from Colin Beattie and I am pleased to welcome Bill Kidd as his substitute.

The first item on our agenda is for the committee to consider whether to agree to take agenda items 3, 4, 5 and 6 in private. Are we agreed?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 1 June 2023

Richard Leonard

We turn to our main item of business. Agenda item 2 is consideration of “The 2021/22 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”. We are joined by four witnesses, who will give us evidence on their perspectives on the report and will answer the questions that we have about it.

I am very pleased to welcome our witnesses. David Tydeman is the chief executive officer of FMPG and Andrew Miller is the chair of the board. From the Scottish Government, we are joined by Gregor Irwin, who is the director-general economy, and Colin Cook, who is the director of economic development.

We have quite a number of questions to put to you but, before we get to our questions, I will give you the opportunity to make short opening statements. First, I invite David Tydeman to make a short statement.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 1 June 2023

Richard Leonard

It was, however, very much a “On the one hand ... and on the other” piece of advice that you gave, which I think is an interesting approach.

I will move on to something else to do with the written authority decision. In your answers to Sharon Dowey, you mentioned external commercial advisers. Are you prepared to share the workings of those commercial advisers with the committee?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 1 June 2023

Richard Leonard

We understand that and have, as a committee, stated on numerous occasions that we are fully behind FMPG and the yard winning more work and being successful.

Mr Irwin, you have mentioned the Scottish public finance manual a few times now. I point out that it contains a section on this committee and your accountability not just to Parliament but to the committee, in particular. The advice in the manual, to you as the accountable officer, is that

“You may also be called on to satisfy the Committee that all relevant financial considerations were brought to the attention of Ministers”.

With that in mind, are you prepared to share that information with us?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 1 June 2023

Richard Leonard

I go back to my earlier question, which was this: are you prepared to share that information with the committee? We understand entirely that some elements of the work that you do in relation to FMPG are commercially sensitive, but I presume that the information could be supplied to us in a way such that it would not compromise commercial and confidential information.