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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 29 November 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Richard Leonard

We turn to the principal item on our agenda, which is further consideration of the joint report on adult mental health by the Auditor General for Scotland and the Accounts Commission. I welcome our witnesses to the meeting.

The committee is taking evidence in a round-table format, which is intended to promote discussion between witnesses and participants, so feel free to interact. If anyone in the room wishes to come in on the discussion, indicate as such and one of the clerks will pick that up, and we will do our level best to bring you in. Those who are joining us online are very welcome. If you want to come in further to any times when we direct questions to you, you should use the chat room function and type in “request to speak” or “RTS” or use any other term to communicate the fact that you want to come in on a particular question. We have some time constraints, so do not feel obliged to come in on every single question. I will do my level best to bring in as many of you as possible, but experience tells us that there might be occasions when we cannot bring in everybody on every question.

I also say to those who are joining us remotely that the broadcasting team has set up your audio and camera, so you do not need to do anything with those. You should keep them on at all times, and, when it is your turn to speak, we will make sure that your audio is on so that we can all hear you.

As is customary with a round-table format, I will ask everybody who is taking part to introduce themselves and tell us which organisation they are from. I start by turning to the people who are joining us in the committee room.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 16 November 2023

Richard Leonard

Sorry to interrupt. It is just to alert you to the fact that Mike Burns, Pavan Srireddy and Chris Williams also want to come in on the question.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 16 November 2023

Richard Leonard

Again, we are quite tight for time so I will bring in Mike Burns, whom we have not heard from for a while. Will you comment on vacancy turnover rates and the whole staffing picture, Mike?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 16 November 2023

Richard Leonard

Thanks—that is helpful.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 16 November 2023

Richard Leonard

They do. I will bring them in before you go on to your next question, if that is okay. I am conscious that Unison has a lot of mental health nurses among its membership, so Stephen Low might have a view. I will come to him in a second. However, first—remotely—both Christiana Melam and Mike Burns want to come in on those points.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 16 November 2023

Richard Leonard

Chris Williams wants to have a go at answering that question.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 16 November 2023

Richard Leonard

The question is on the governance architecture and whether it works and fits together well. Dr Williams is indicating that he wants to come in first and if other people have a view, just let us know. You do not have to have a view, of course.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 16 November 2023

Richard Leonard

I will bring in Dr Srireddy, followed by Mike Burns and Christiana Melam.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 16 November 2023

Richard Leonard

Thanks. On the point of governance in particular, I turn to Mike Burns for his thoughts, and then I will come to Christiana Melam, and to Stephen Low in the room here.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 16 November 2023

Richard Leonard

I thank all our panellists for their contribution and the time that they have given up. It is two hours that they will not get back, I am afraid. I also appreciate the fact that they all prepared before coming along here to give evidence, so I thank them very much on behalf of the committee for the top-quality evidence that they gave us. It has been illuminating, informative and, at times, moving.

I also remind the witnesses that, as Sharon Dowey said, if they want to make any submissions on any areas that we did not get to but on which they would have liked to comment, they should by all means put something down in writing. We will be delighted to accept it.

I now draw the public part of the committee meeting to a close.

10:56 Meeting continued in private until 11:11.