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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 29 November 2025
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Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 30 November 2023

Richard Leonard

John Mooney wants to come in on that point, and then we will move back to revenue, which Graham Simpson will lead on.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 30 November 2023

Richard Leonard

Stuart Brown wants to come in on this question, too.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 30 November 2023

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much. We are kind of at the end of the session but, in the couple of minutes that we have left, Graham Simpson wants to ask a very specific question.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 30 November 2023

Richard Leonard

Thank you. You will, I am sure, have seen the briefing note that we are discussing this morning. One strong message that comes out of it is a concern about the financial sustainability of the college sector. When we took evidence from the Auditor General, he used the expression, “real viability issues” in that regard. At one point, we spoke about whether there was a risk of insolvency in the sector—whether all colleges in Scotland were going concerns. Derek Smeall, what is your take on the financial sustainability of the college sector in Scotland?

Public Audit Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 30 November 2023

Richard Leonard

Good morning and welcome to the 31st meeting in 2023 of the Public Audit Committee. The first item on our agenda is for members of the committee to agree whether to take items 3 and 4 in private. Do we agree to do so?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 30 November 2023

Richard Leonard

Thanks for that—it is duly noted.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 30 November 2023

Richard Leonard

Ellie Gomersall, I will bring you in at that point because, as a representative of the users of those important educational services, I am sure that you have a really clear perspective on what it means for the students that you represent that this is going on.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 30 November 2023

Richard Leonard

In the evidence session with the Auditor General, the committee raised the fact that the new Government slogan is “equality, opportunity, community”, but how does that prism fit on to what is going on in the further education sector?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 30 November 2023

Richard Leonard

Stuart Brown wants to come in—briefly, because I want to talk about a passage in the report about significant areas of risk for colleges, which cover a broader palette of things. I will invite Andy Witty to come in on that.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 30 November 2023

Richard Leonard

Thank you. That has opened up a whole frontier that we are going to cover, including the Withers report.

I am conscious that John Mooney has not come in yet. Before I move on to questions from Colin Beattie, who will be asking about the college estate and so on, I will ask you this, John. Exhibit 2 describes risk factors. We have heard from Ellie Gomersall about the student experience, but let us consider the perspective of your members. The final risk that the Auditor General identifies is

“The impact of cost efficiencies on staff wellbeing”.

What are you seeing as a trade union? What is the impact of that? We are in a period in which inflation has been pretty high by historical standards—certainly by recent historical standards. There has been a flat cash settlement for three consecutive years. What has the impact of that been on your members?