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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Public Audit Committee

National Strategy for Economic Transformation

Meeting date: 9 May 2024

Richard Leonard

Just taking up your last point about the work of Audit Scotland really mattering, do you accept the conclusions and recommendations in the Auditor General’s briefing?

Public Audit Committee

National Strategy for Economic Transformation

Meeting date: 9 May 2024

Richard Leonard

Do not put words in my mouth. [Laughter.]

Public Audit Committee

National Strategy for Economic Transformation

Meeting date: 9 May 2024

Richard Leonard

There may well be a revision in light of the Bute house agreement being terminated, I would speculate, but you may not need to answer that, director general.

Can I also turn to a point that I raised with the Auditor General? I know that you were not in post at the time, Mr Irwin, but I was struggling a little bit to understand why the previous strategy from 2015 was not updated in light of the Brexit vote in 2016. That quite clearly is a potential economic shock and a change to the framework in which you work. Of course, the UK left the European Union in January 2020 and there was no reset of the strategy at that point either. Can you offer any explanation why that would have been?

Public Audit Committee

National Strategy for Economic Transformation

Meeting date: 9 May 2024

Richard Leonard

You were not able to co-ordinate the diaries of half a dozen, at the most, cabinet secretaries and the president of COSLA to fix up a meeting of the economic leadership group. The Auditor General told us on 14 March that the economic leadership group was a key part of the Government’s NSET accountability framework. I am struggling to understand why it has not met. I do not know who can answer that question.

Public Audit Committee

National Strategy for Economic Transformation

Meeting date: 9 May 2024

Richard Leonard

The second item on our agenda is further consideration of the Auditor General’s briefing on the national strategy for economic transformation. We are pleased to be joined in the committee room this morning by three witnesses. First, we have the director general of economy in the Scottish Government, Gregor Irwin. Mr Irwin is joined by Aidan Grisewood, who is the director of jobs and wellbeing economy in the Scottish Government, and by Colin Cook, who is the director of economic development in the Scottish Government.

We have quite a number of questions to put to you this morning, director general, but before we get to those, can I invite you to make a statement to the committee?

Public Audit Committee

National Strategy for Economic Transformation

Meeting date: 9 May 2024

Richard Leonard

I reflect on the fact that one of the recommendations is about clearer timescales, as well as clearer targets, and I think that we would all welcome greater clarity over the future of the strategy, what it will look like and when we will be able to rejoin a public debate about it. After all, it is not just the property of the Government; it is about engagement with other stakeholders who will deliver it. If we are genuine about wanting to see a transformative change in the economy, achieving that will demand popular support right across the board.

I will close the evidence session now. There are a number of areas where you have agreed to provide us with further written information. As I always say, we prefer to get accurate information rather than speculative information from our witnesses, so we will very much appreciate it if you provide us with that information timeously.

I thank all three of you—director general, Colin Cook and Aidan Grisewood—for your time, the evidence that you have given us this morning and the information that you have been able to supply us with. I move the committee into private session.

10:25 Meeting continued in private until 11:16.  

Public Audit Committee

National Strategy for Economic Transformation

Meeting date: 9 May 2024

Richard Leonard

Has the economic leadership group been scrapped?

Public Audit Committee

National Strategy for Economic Transformation

Meeting date: 9 May 2024

Richard Leonard

I now invite Willie Coffey to see how much satisfaction he can get.

Public Audit Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 9 May 2024

Richard Leonard

Good morning and welcome, everyone, to the 15th meeting of the Public Audit Committee in 2024. The first item on our agenda is to agree or not to take agenda items 3, 4 and 5 in private. Are we agreed?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee

National Strategy for Economic Transformation

Meeting date: 9 May 2024

Richard Leonard

Yes, well, we will probably get to those. I am sure that people will draw their own conclusions from your answers.

Can I take you to the key messages in the briefing that is before us? Key message 3 talks about political leadership and the gap in political leadership. In particular, the Government said in, I think, 2022 that it was going to establish an economic leadership group chaired by the First Minister, but that has yet to meet. Could you explain that for us, please?