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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 6 June 2024
Richard Leonard
Do you have any sense of when demand will be greatest on the capacity of that part of the public sector that you have oversight of?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 6 June 2024
Richard Leonard
Okay. One of the other variables on these contracts is that some have so-called secondary periods, which is, as I understand it, an extension of the PFI contract. Can you tell us what your understanding is of how many of those are in the system or we are likely to face between, for example, now and 2030?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 6 June 2024
Richard Leonard
Yes. I understand that you are not in breach of the TUPE regulations. You could continue to pay the staff at the Serco rates and employ them on the Serco terms and conditions. Our point of interest here is that, given that these are the people who make the prison work or not work so how they are treated is quite important, there are questions about how that is working and whether it could be done in a different way. Could it be done in a more accelerated way, given that we understand that there are some issues around capacity?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 6 June 2024
Richard Leonard
Okay. I am going to bring in other members of the committee. I will bring in Jamie Greene, and Graham Simpson may also have a question on the subject.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 6 June 2024
Richard Leonard
Okay. I call Mr Simpson.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 6 June 2024
Richard Leonard
On 1 December, not by 1 December.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 6 June 2024
Richard Leonard
Thank you very much. I bring in the deputy convener.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 6 June 2024
Richard Leonard
Do you know how many of those contracts that are coming to an end between now and 2030 involve some kind of costs? Kerry Alexander might be able to help with that.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 6 June 2024
Richard Leonard
Okay. The BBC carried a story with the headline “PFI ‘buy back’ deals to cost taxpayer millions”. I do not know about the figure of millions of pounds, but it referred to 11 PFI contracts. However, you think that the figure is nine. Can you comment on that?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 6 June 2024
Richard Leonard
As you have mentioned East Ayrshire, I am bound to go into the broader issue of the East Ayrshire community hospital. The then First Minister Nicola Sturgeon announced that that hospital was going to be taken back into NHS Ayrshire and Arran earlier than the time scheduled in the PFI contract, and I think there has been an estimate of the additional cost. If that issue fell to your department, Mr Rennick, would there not have to be a conversation between the minister—in that case, the First Minister—and you as the accountable officer as to whether that was the right decision?