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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 29 November 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”

Meeting date: 18 January 2024

Richard Leonard

Do you think that there have been so few concerns about ministerial spending decisions in all that time that a written authority would not have been warranted at any point?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”

Meeting date: 18 January 2024

Richard Leonard

Can I take from that that you do consider the oil refinery to be a strategic commercial asset? Does it fall within the scope of your strategic commercial assets division?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”

Meeting date: 18 January 2024

Richard Leonard

What is the latest position on the submission of audited accounts?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”

Meeting date: 18 January 2024

Richard Leonard

Thanks, permanent secretary. We do get regular reports on IT projects, so we do get opportunities to view and review those.

As we are on the subject of software, I will finish by turning to our resident in-house expert on all these matters: Willie Coffey. Willie, do you want to ask the final couple of questions?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”

Meeting date: 18 January 2024

Richard Leonard

I thank the permanent secretary, John-Paul Marks, for his time and his willingness to answer our questions. It is greatly appreciated. I also thank Gregor Irwin, Jackie McAllister and Alison Cumming for giving us the benefit of their insights into the way the Government is working and how the reform programme is progressing.

I will close the public part of this morning’s meeting and move the committee into private session. Thank you very much.

11:16 Meeting continued in private until 11:35.  

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Richard Leonard

We have spoken about a student-centred approach and the importance of the outcomes. It is not just about the inputs, financial and otherwise, is it? Is it not the case that your changes to the rules about the thresholds for non-retention or drop-out rates of students disincentivise attempts by colleges to retain students? If somebody drops out in week 6, as long as they have been there for five weeks, the college still gets the financial payment as if they were there for the whole of that academic year. Will that not lead to an increased level of student drop-out or non-retention?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Richard Leonard

The committee would certainly expect that to be carefully scrutinised, because the change could have a negative rather than a positive effect from the student perspective. We may come back to you on that at some point.

I will move on to another element of the report, which is the college estate. I have a topical question on reinforced autoclaved aerated concrete. Do we know the extent of RAAC in Scotland’s colleges?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Richard Leonard

Will it be done by the end of the year, say?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Richard Leonard

Thanks. That is helpful.

Mr Rennick, when do you expect a decision to be made?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Richard Leonard

Okay. Thank you for your time and the evidence that you have given us this morning, which has been very helpful.

As Willie Coffey reminded us, there is no such thing as a job for life any more. Retraining and reskilling are hugely important roles that are fulfilled very well by the college sector in Scotland. I suspect that, in this era of the just transition, they will become even more acutely important.

I note that a paper that we were given in advance of the meeting pointed out the finding from the Sutton Trust that 90 per cent of learners from the most socially deprived backgrounds who went to university did so through colleges. That is not the only thing that colleges do, but it is a really important thing.

I thank Neil Rennick , Stuart Greig, Karen Watt and Lynne Raeside for their input this morning. As I said, it has been very useful to us.

10:49 Meeting continued in private until 11:20.