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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 1 May 2025
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Richard Leonard

I have a final question. You are very blunt in your written submission and take a position that is contrary to Mr Hamilton’s. you say that having individual corporate HQs is a “non-affordable luxury”. That is a clear statement of your view, and you are very strong on the issue of sharing services—that comes through in your evidence this morning and in your written submission.

In your written evidence, you also allude to the fact that you are dealing with data about vulnerable adults, children and young people, and you talk about information rights. To what extent do you collaborate and work with those other commissions? If you are dealing with the treatment of the biometric data of young people below the age of 18 and so on, do you have conversations with the Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland on issues that are relevant to that age group or with the Scottish Human Rights Commission on, for example, a human rights approach to some of these questions? What is the extent of your interaction?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Good morning, Mr Hamilton. You have already used some of the labels that I am going to ask about, and some of the terminology has been part and parcel of the first half hour of the session.

However, would you define yourself as a regulatory or advocacy commissioner? That is part 1 of my question.

You have covered part 2, particularly in answering Lorna Slater’s questions. To what extent are you simply reactive and to what extent are you proactive in carrying out your statutory duties?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Richard Leonard

That would be great.

In your written submission, you say that you have “strong statutory enforcement powers”. Do you have all the powers that you need?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Richard Leonard

That would be a change in the law rather than necessarily a change in your powers. Are there examples of your powers being insufficient? Do you feel as though your having more powers would lead to better outcomes?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Richard Leonard

No. I read your submission last night, Mr Hamilton. That was in your submission.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Was it not? I am sorry, but can we just clear that up? Did you use the expression “financially hamstrung”?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Richard Leonard

You spoke about “a cost/benefit analysis” and “an opportunity cost”. They are your words, are they not?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Could you elaborate on what you mean by that?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Richard Leonard

It is Audit Scotland.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Richard Leonard

That is not an uncommon problem in the public sector.

You mention in your written submission that there are about 500 appeals per annum. To reflect on the figures that you have just given us, how many applications or approaches do you receive and what does that translate into? If there are about 90,000 requests, 500 appeals seems like a massive drop.