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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Richard Leonard

Okay. Can you tell me about the examples that the Grant Thornton report unearthed, which were about employees who booked their own travel? For example, if I were to be called to a meeting in London tomorrow, or if I needed to get to Stornoway on Saturday, I might, at such short notice, cut through the bureaucracy and just make my own booking. Why was a flight to Brasília, or Kigali, in business class, booked in the way that it was, and who did it?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Richard Leonard

Right, okay. Let me move on. Another ambiguity that came out in the audit was on the application, or the interpretation, of the £75 gift threshold that had been set. Where have you got to with reviewing that? It seemed to have been applied in such a way that it looked as though people were trying to get around it.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Richard Leonard

One of the other areas highlighted in the Audit Scotland report, which is also brought out by the Grant Thornton review, is the whole policy on reimbursing people for meals. I do not quite understand some of the terminology around non-city meals, city meals and limits. Ms Quinn, we were told by Mr Brannen at the previous evidence session on the topic that the use of credit cards involves a no-drink policy. However, it is pretty obvious from the findings that have been unearthed by Grant Thornton that, unless people were eating huge amounts of food, a large proportion of those claims—some of them without receipts—were made for alcohol. Can you confirm that first of all?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Richard Leonard

Why would he be unsure of that?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 11 September 2024

Richard Leonard

I have been once before in relation to the treatment of young footballers.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 11 September 2024

Richard Leonard

I will get straight into the points that I want to raise. First, the recommendations that led to the proposals to downgrade Wishaw neonatal unit have not been subject to a robust or thorough equality or human rights impact assessment. That is an issue in relation to parents and families but also in relation to babies, because they, too, have rights under the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child—a right to life, a right to survival and a right to development—and that has not been properly taken into account.

Secondly, the clinical advice that has been used to justify the decision is now five years old. Thirdly, neither the current minister nor her predecessors have ever visited the Wishaw neonatal unit to speak to the staff there to get their expert view. Fourthly, as Jackie Baillie and Monica Lennon have mentioned, the concentration of the provision of these intensive care resources will bring about capacity and resilience issues. It is extremely difficult to understand the feasibility of families from central and southern Scotland having to go to Aberdeen, which will have one of the proposed three centres.

There has been centralisation of these services in other parts of the UK, but there has not been any proper evaluation of those that could be factored into any decisions that the Scottish Government takes. ScotSTAR and the Scottish Ambulance Service will be significantly affected by the changes and they have not been fully involved in the process. There has been no assessment of the impact on their services.

Finally, this is an issue in Lanarkshire and in Wishaw but there is also an issue about how we provide these services across the whole of Scotland. That is an issue for every member of this committee and every member of this Parliament. We simply ask this committee to take up some of these issues in relation to the extent to which the assessments have been made, the impact on staff, the impact on capacity, the impact on resilience and the impact not just on human rights but human lives.

Public Audit Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 5 September 2024

Richard Leonard

Good morning. I welcome everyone to the 21st meeting in 2024 of the Public Audit Committee, which is our first after the Parliament’s summer recess. Fulton MacGregor is joining us remotely.

First, are members content to take agenda items 4, 5 and 6 in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee

Tackling Digital Exclusion

Meeting date: 5 September 2024

Richard Leonard

I have a quick question before I bring in our final questioner. We read in the report that the Government proposes having a “minimum digital living standard”. Could you tell us a little bit more about what on earth that is?

Public Audit Committee

Tackling Digital Exclusion

Meeting date: 5 September 2024

Richard Leonard

Thank you. That is helpful.

I will move on. Our final questioner is Fulton MacGregor, who, fittingly, given the topic of this morning’s evidence, is joining us digitally, by video link, from North Lanarkshire.

Public Audit Committee

Tackling Digital Exclusion

Meeting date: 5 September 2024

Richard Leonard

We have time for one final quick question, which I invite the deputy convener to put.