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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 26 September 2024
Richard Leonard
Thanks for that.
We now want to spend a bit of time on some of the specific areas that you drill down into in the report. To get us under way on that, I invite Graeme Simpson to put some questions to you.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 26 September 2024
Richard Leonard
I have a final question. When we discussed the adult concessionary bus travel arrangements earlier, Graham Simpson said that more than 1,000 people have used the bus passes of people who are deceased. For the record, it is fair to say that that was out of 99,600 people. In other words, 99 per cent of the population are entirely honest. Let us get some perspective on that.
However, I wonder about the extent to which you monitor the bus operators, because there are interesting considerations around whether the journeys that are charged for are the journeys that people have actually taken or whether there is a mismatch. For example, when you get off the bus, you are supposed to swipe your card to say, “This is the stop that I’m getting off at.” If you do not do that, what is the default position? Is it that the bus operator charges for a longer journey? I wonder whether that falls within the remit of the national fraud initiative or whether it is looked at somewhere else.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 26 September 2024
Richard Leonard
Our main item of business this morning is consideration of the report “National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”. I welcome our witnesses, who join us in the committee room. We have John Cornett, executive director of audit services, Audit Scotland; and Tim Bridle, audit manager, Audit Scotland. We have some questions to put to you about the report but, before we get to that, I invite you to make a short opening statement.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 26 September 2024
Richard Leonard
Thanks. That is a useful clarification. We are going to get into some of the specific match areas, but first I have a couple of questions on the broader impact of the initiative. In exhibit 3 in the report, you talk about the wider benefits of the national fraud initiative. You list that it can
“Act as a deterrent to potential fraudsters ... provide assurance that systems are operating well”
and
“identify where system improvements are required”.
Can you tell us more about that? What evidence do you have to support your claims in the report?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 26 September 2024
Richard Leonard
To what extent do you see the exercise as being one of catching fraud versus one of preventing fraud?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 26 September 2024
Richard Leonard
Do bodies undertake such a cost benefit assessment?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 26 September 2024
Richard Leonard
James Dornan wants to come in on the blue badge issue.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 26 September 2024
Richard Leonard
I now ask the deputy convener to ask some questions.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 26 September 2024
Richard Leonard
Good morning. I welcome everyone to the 24th meeting of the Public Audit Committee in 2024. Agenda item 1 is to decide whether to take items 3, 4 and 5 in private. Are we agreed?
Members indicated agreement.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 26 September 2024
Richard Leonard
Yes, please do.