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Meeting of the Commission
Meeting date: 18 December 2024
Richard Leonard
There is some kind of governance system that has oversight.
Meeting of the Commission
Meeting date: 18 December 2024
Richard Leonard
I am glad to hear it.
I will move on from staffing issues to other areas. In your proposal document, there is a section headed “Other operating costs”. In that section, you itemise what you call the “main areas of movement”—by “movement”, I think that you mean “increase”. I want to probe some of the areas that you have highlighted.
You talk about “Resource system implementation”. Forgive me if you covered this earlier, with a different descriptor, but could you perhaps tell us a little bit more about what that work is and how it is being delivered? Is it being delivered in-house? Is it externalised? Are you bringing in people to do that through an outsourced model? If you could begin by telling us what it is, that would be helpful.
Meeting of the Commission
Meeting date: 18 December 2024
Richard Leonard
Okay, and you have systems in place to make sure that it is delivering value for money.
Meeting of the Commission
Meeting date: 18 December 2024
Richard Leonard
Let me move on to another area that crops up in the “Other operating costs” section of your proposal, which is an expectation that, certainly compared to two years ago, you are looking at a significant increase in legal fees. Can you explain the occasions that Audit Scotland requires to procure legal support externally? What areas do you take legal advice on?
Meeting of the Commission
Meeting date: 18 December 2024
Richard Leonard
Okay, that is fine. It is just that we were talking about the potential exposure to risk and the importance of us challenging the model that you are describing, and I just wanted to understand that point. I acknowledge that you have given a categorical reply.
Meeting of the Commission
Meeting date: 18 December 2024
Richard Leonard
I want to pick up a couple of loose ends from the previous two rounds of questions. Of course, our job is to challenge, so, for the record, I note that not all of us believe in the inevitability of downsizing as an approach, and I think that you have described why there are times when you need to expand and reshape the skill sets that you have. Your responses on that have been very useful for us as a commission to understand what is happening with your overall staffing cost.
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 12 December 2024
Richard Leonard
I will now bring in Graham Simpson, who wants to continue on some of the themes introduced by the deputy convener.
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 12 December 2024
Richard Leonard
Let me pick up that theme. In your evidence to us last week, you referred to your concern about the lack of a medium-term financial strategy, which was also expressed by the Institute for Fiscal Studies and other bodies. In your report this week, you refer to there being insufficient clarity about a medium-term financial plan for the NHS and say that we are still awaiting an NHS capital investment and asset management strategy—so some quite important parts of the framework do not exist. I go back to my earlier point: the calls that you have made in previous reports still do not appear to have been met.
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 12 December 2024
Richard Leonard
Thank you for clarifying that.
Your report includes a summary of progress against some of your recommendations from previous years’ reports. Some of the recommendations that you made in previous years are repeated this year. Do you think that sufficient progress is being made in the areas that you have highlighted as being important for improving the performance of the national health service in Scotland?
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 12 December 2024
Richard Leonard
I have a few more questions on that, but I am conscious of the time, so I invite James Dornan, who joins us via videolink, to put some questions to you.