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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 July 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Richard Leonard

Good morning. I welcome everyone to the seventh meeting in 2024 of the Public Audit Committee.

The first item on the committee’s agenda is to decide whether to take agenda items 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8 in private. Do members agree to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of NHS Forth Valley”

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Richard Leonard

My question is: why did it take so long? Concerns about governance were flagged up in May 2022. Why did it take until January the following year for a review of governance arrangements to be established? Why did it take another eight months before the conclusions were considered by the board?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of NHS Forth Valley”

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Richard Leonard

It still seems to me that there were quite big delays between those different staging posts.

I will turn to another area that has been identified in a number of external examinations of the board, which is the culture of relations with staff. The particular recurring theme is that the views and voices of staff were not being listened to. Do you accept that finding?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of NHS Forth Valley”

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Richard Leonard

I am an old-fashioned trade union person. When you say that you engage with your staff colleagues, do you mean that you sit down with the national health service trade unions?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of NHS Forth Valley”

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Richard Leonard

Thanks for that answer. Graham Simpson wants to come in on that line of questioning.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of NHS Forth Valley”

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Richard Leonard

Are there still five beds in four-bedded bays?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of NHS Forth Valley”

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Richard Leonard

There are. Okay.

Have you carried out all the risk assessments that were required?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of NHS Forth Valley”

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Richard Leonard

Okay, but my question is this: is there a formal process whereby somebody who leaves the health board—who has been the chief executive or who has been in a senor HR role for a number of years, down to those nursing staff who have left, who have now created vacancies in the system—

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of NHS Forth Valley”

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Richard Leonard

Let me finish, please.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of NHS Forth Valley”

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Richard Leonard

The last word goes to you, Janie McCusker.