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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 July 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of NHS Forth Valley”

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Richard Leonard

We are against the clock. I will bring you back in, but first I will bring Graham Simpson in.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of NHS Forth Valley”

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Richard Leonard

My question is: do you have systems in place to understand why nurses have left the health board’s employ, why the chief executive left the board’s employ—I know that it was retirement in that case—and why other people in senior posts have left? You are the new team. Were interviews carried out to capture and record the reasons why people left?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of NHS Forth Valley”

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Richard Leonard

We are now bang out of time, and I am sorry that I was not able to bring you back in. If there is something pertinent that you want to draw to the attention of the committee, please feel free to capture it and put it in a written submission after today’s session. We would appreciate that.

I thank Amanda Croft and Janie McCusker. I wish you a happy post-Forth Valley NHS Board life. I also thank Andrew Murray, Kevin Reith and Professor Frances Dodd for contributing to this morning’s evidence session, which has been greatly appreciated.

I suspend the meeting to allow for a changeover of witnesses.

10:16 Meeting suspended.  

10:18 On resuming—  

Public Audit Committee

“Decarbonising heat in homes”

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Richard Leonard

The second half of our agenda today is an examination of a briefing paper that was prepared by the Auditor General for Scotland, “Decarbonising heat in homes”. I welcome our witnesses, all of whom are from Audit Scotland. We have the Auditor General, Stephen Boyle; Cornilius Chikwama, an audit director; and Derek Hoy, an audit manager.

We have a number of questions. Before we get to those, I invite the auditor general to make an opening statement.

Public Audit Committee

“Decarbonising heat in homes”

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Richard Leonard

Right—that is very useful. Thank you.

Colin Beattie will now put some questions to you about funding and investment.

Public Audit Committee

“Decarbonising heat in homes”

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Richard Leonard

Okay—thank you. Graham Simpson wants to come in on some of those points, and then I will bring in Willie Coffey.

Public Audit Committee

“Decarbonising heat in homes”

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Richard Leonard

I call Willie Coffey.

Public Audit Committee

“Decarbonising heat in homes”

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Richard Leonard

Thank you, Jamie. I thank the Auditor General for his evidence and Derek Hoy and Cornilius Chikwama for their input. We now need to consider what our next steps will be and who we might need to invite to give us more evidence on what is a really important subject from the point of view of both public policy and consumer interests.

With that, I draw to a close the public part of this morning’s proceedings.

11:21 Meeting continued in private until 11:36.  

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of NHS Forth Valley”

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Richard Leonard

I want to take us to a couple of broader areas. The first is governance. In exhibit 1 in the section 22 report, the Auditor General notes that concerns about governance arrangements in the health board have been flagged since May 2022, when there was a Scottish Government national planning and performance oversight group report. The terms of the independent corporate governance review were not agreed for another eight months, in January 2023, and the outcomes of that were not considered by the board until November 2023. That seems to be an inordinate delay in addressing something that is pretty fundamental to the functioning of the board. Maybe Janie McCusker will want come in on that and explain why that timeline looks as it does.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of NHS Forth Valley”

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Richard Leonard

Thank you. That is a useful introduction for us. Willie Coffey will ask the first question.