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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 28 November 2025
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Richard Leonard

Thanks very much, indeed. I am conscious that we have run slightly over time, but it has been a really useful session for us.

Once again, I take the opportunity to thank you, Ian Bruce and Melanie Stronach, for your evidence this morning. It has been a very useful illumination of some of the points that were drawn out in the Auditor General’s spotlight report.

There are a number of areas that you promised to follow up. As you said, Mr Bruce, giving evidence to a parliamentary committee is a point of reflection for you. You might share some things with us in a material fashion and you might share other things with us in a more spiritual fashion in the future.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Richard Leonard

I suspend the meeting to allow for a changeover of witnesses.

10:55 Meeting suspended.  

11:00 On resuming—  

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Richard Leonard

That is fine. Thank you very much indeed. We will direct questions to you, director general, and you can decide to bring in Christine McLaughlin and Fiona Bennett as appropriate. Before we get to our questions, I invite you to make a short opening statement.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Richard Leonard

Five are exclusively targeted at the Scottish Government, and three are targeted at the Scottish Government, along with NHS boards, territorial and otherwise.

Will you tell us a little bit about the progress that you have made? The report came out in May; we are now five months on. We will go into some detail on the recommendations, but will you give us an overall picture of where you have made progress and how you have been able to implement each of the eight recommendations?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Richard Leonard

We will have questions about some of that.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Richard Leonard

If you could give us that by way of follow-up, that would be useful to us.

The other area that I wanted to touch on before I bring in other members of the committee was—you spoke about it in your opening remarks and then in answering my first question—the NHS Scotland executive group. You will be aware that, when we took evidence on 11 June, Alison Cumming from Audit Scotland said:

“our objective assessment is that it can be difficult to make decisions when large numbers of people are around the table”.—[Official Report, Public Audit Committee, 11 June 2025; c 11]

How do you respond to that?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Richard Leonard

But is it a decision-making body?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Richard Leonard

We may probe into that a little bit more as we go along in the session. I will invite Keith Brown to put some questions to you.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Richard Leonard

Life is full of surprises, Keith.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Richard Leonard

Good morning. I welcome everyone to the 25th meeting in 2025 of the Public Audit Committee. We have received apologies from Joe FitzPatrick, and I welcome Keith Brown, who is substituting for him.

Item 1 on the committee’s agenda is a decision on whether to take items 3 and 4 in private. Do we agree to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.