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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 28 November 2025
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Richard Leonard

Good morning. I welcome everyone to the 26th meeting in 2025 of the Public Audit Committee. The first item for the committee to consider is whether to take agenda items 3 and 4 in private. Are we agreed to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Richard Leonard

Principle 6 of the eight principles in the report is to design the system

“with the people of Scotland on the basis of evidence.”

That takes us back to the first principle, which we have been looking at this morning.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Richard Leonard

Good.

I invite Joe FitzPatrick to put some questions to you.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Richard Leonard

Yes—that would be very helpful, I think.

I have a final point to raise. You have mentioned the independent review into the adult disability payment a couple of times. I cannot pre-empt what the committee decides to do, but we may well invite the director general communities and representatives of Social Security Scotland to give evidence to us on the report. What is your understanding of what they plan to do about the findings of the independent review?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Richard Leonard

You mentioned the DWP increasing its data collection, or improving the quality of its data. To what extent is there an interdependency between Social Security Scotland and the DWP? For example, in the context of income tax, there have been extensive evidence sessions at this committee about the contract on revenue collection with His Majesty’s Revenue and Customs on behalf of the Scottish Government and the data that it gets out of that arrangement. Is there something equivalent going on in this case, or is Social Security Scotland very much standing alone in charge of the devolved benefits?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Richard Leonard

Graham Simpson is next on the list, but Joe FitzPatrick has some questions in this area, so I will ask him to come in first.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Richard Leonard

Erin, I think you said that the transfer has now been completed, so 347,000 people have transferred across. Over and above that, some people have now applied to Social Security Scotland directly for the adult disability payment, so the total number is around 500,000.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much. I will move us on by inviting Colin Beattie to put some questions to you.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Richard Leonard

We may, in turn, decide to ask the Government that ourselves at some point in the future.

Thank you for the evidence that you have given us this morning on what is an important report. I can particularly relate to Joe FitzPatrick’s encapsulation of it as being a useful exercise in examining how the implementation of the transition has worked. Is there a broader debate that needs to happen? If so, that would probably take us into policy areas as we consider the preventative interventions that could be made—and that takes us back to our old friend, the Christie commission.

On that note, I will draw the public part of this morning’s committee meeting to a close. Before doing so, however, I thank Richard Robinson, Erin McGinley and the Auditor General, Stephen Boyle, for the evidence that they have given us this morning.

10:59 Meeting continued in private until 11:18.  

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Richard Leonard

I invite the deputy convener, Jamie Greene, to put some questions to you.