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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 19 February 2025
Richard Leonard
Thank you for coming in on that. It was useful to get that on the record, director general.
I will turn to Graham Simpson for a final set of questions. You said that Colin Beattie had asked a fair question, Mr Hinds. All our questions are fair.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 19 February 2025
Richard Leonard
I am not going to allow us to get into individual cases here. This is not the appropriate forum to do that, just to be clear.
12:30Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 19 February 2025
Richard Leonard
The change was approved by the board of WICS at the time. That is our understanding of what happened: we have been told that.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 19 February 2025
Richard Leonard
I think that that concludes our session. I was particularly struck by Gareth Davies’s point about the importance of evaluation, especially when it comes to the impact of taxation, both in advance of those taxes being introduced and after their introduction. I think that we would all benefit from that.
You are right to highlight the fact that we, as the Public Audit Committee of the Scottish Parliament, have a particular interest in how public money is spent. However, we are also MSPs who will vote on budget decisions. As a result, this is not just retrospective consideration of the way in which things have gone; it is also about the contemporaneous decisions that are being made on tax policy.
I thank Richard Robinson; Carole Grant; the Auditor General, Stephen Boyle; the Comptroller and Auditor General, Gareth Davies; and Darren Stewart of the NAO very much for their time and their evidence this morning. That evidence is very valuable to us.
I suspend the meeting.
10:43 Meeting suspended.Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 19 February 2025
Richard Leonard
I welcome everyone back to the Public Audit Committee, following our suspension. We are delighted to resume our evidence sessions this morning with agenda item 3, which is further consideration of “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”.
I welcome our witnesses who join us in the committee room this morning. I am particularly pleased to welcome David Satti, who is the interim chief executive of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland. Alongside Mr Satti is Ronnie Hinds, who is the chair of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland’s board.
We are also very pleased to welcome back the director general for net zero at the Scottish Government, Roy Brannen. You are very welcome, Roy—it is good to see you. Alongside Mr Brannen is Michelle Quinn, who is the director of offshore wind, but has previously been acting as the interim director general for net zero. We are also pleased to welcome back Kersti Burge, who is director of energy and climate change in that directorate, and Jo Blewett, who is the deputy director for the water industry in the Scottish Government.
As you know, time is quite precious for us this morning, but there are some important areas that we want to cover, so I encourage the committee members to keep their questions precise. If witnesses could be concise in their answers, that would be very helpful.
However, before we get into those questions, we are pleased to invite Ronnie Hinds to speak on behalf of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland, then Roy Brannen, to speak on behalf of the Scottish Government. I turn to Mr Hinds first, to kick us off.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 19 February 2025
Richard Leonard
The Acting Minister for Climate Action told Parliament yesterday afternoon that the Scottish Government seeks to ensure that executive pay is kept under control. It does not sound like it is being kept under control, though, does it?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 19 February 2025
Richard Leonard
That is fine.
Mr Hinds or Mr Satti, as the regulator and given your terms of reference, do you have any reflections on what has come out in the last few days?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 19 February 2025
Richard Leonard
We are looking for accurate information, so if it is better to send us that in writing, that is acceptable.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 19 February 2025
Richard Leonard
Mr Davies, you might want to respond to that question, but I want to ask specifically about the point that you made in your opening statement about the error, which you have taken a fairly dim view of, I think. Can you talk us through that?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 19 February 2025
Richard Leonard
Okay. We will come to the international work later in our evidence session this morning.
I turn finally turn to you, Mr Brannen—but feel free to delegate to your team.
I am quite surprised that you did not know that something like that was happening. If the matter went to the audit and risk committee and the board, I would have expected there to be some oversight of it. Do the board and the audit and risk committee not produce minutes? At the very least, did the person who was in Jo Blewett’s position at the time not read the minutes that were generated in order to keep an eye on what was going on in a public organisation like WICS?