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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee
Meeting date: 20 February 2025
Richard Leonard
Are they your words or SPICe’s words?
SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee
Meeting date: 20 February 2025
Richard Leonard
That is not an uncommon problem in the public sector.
You mention in your written submission that there are about 500 appeals per annum. To reflect on the figures that you have just given us, how many applications or approaches do you receive and what does that translate into? If there are about 90,000 requests, 500 appeals seems like a massive drop.
SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee
Meeting date: 20 February 2025
Richard Leonard
What is that?
SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee
Meeting date: 20 February 2025
Richard Leonard
Okay—thanks. I have one final area of questioning. I am here as a back-bench Labour MSP, but I am also the convener of the Public Audit Committee, and you mentioned conversations that you have had with the Auditor General for Scotland. Some of the points that you make in your written submission did ring some alarm bells with me. For example, first, you talk about being “financially hamstrung”. Secondly, when it comes to being more accountable, you say:
“it detracts me and my small team away from our core business.”
Thirdly, you speak about
“the disproportionality of the governance model”.
Propriety, accountability and governance are areas that regularly get public bodies into trouble, and they end up coming before the Public Audit Committee.
SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee
Meeting date: 20 February 2025
Richard Leonard
Did you say,
“it detracts me and my small team away from our core business”?
SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee
Meeting date: 20 February 2025
Richard Leonard
Accountability was the issue.
SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee
Meeting date: 20 February 2025
Richard Leonard
I want to be clear about it. I do not want to get this confused. Do you want to elaborate on
“the disproportionality of the governance model”?
Are those your words?
SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee
Meeting date: 20 February 2025
Richard Leonard
You said earlier that your staff complement is around 28. Some 24 hours ago, the Public Audit Committee was taking evidence on the Water Industry Commission for Scotland, which has had two years of section 22 reports because of problems of governance, of value for money, of propriety, of accountability and so on. It has only 21 members of staff, so size is not something that allows you to avoid accountability, audit and scrutiny. It is actually quite important that those rules of transparency and accountability are in place.
SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee
Meeting date: 20 February 2025
Richard Leonard
Dr Plastow, you have answered some of my rudimentary questions about the extent to which you are reactive or proactive—you have said that you are 90 per cent proactive.
However, I have a related question. In this debate, people define certain commissions and commissioners as regulatory and define others as advocacy commissioners. Where would you place yourself on that spectrum?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 19 February 2025
Richard Leonard
Thanks for that.
Let me disclose that I used to deal with Scottish Water as a trade union organiser. Two out of the three people who are highlighted as receiving those whacking great bonuses are people who I dealt with 15 or 20 years ago.
To recap, Mr Brannen, you are going to supply us with the name of the ministers who are responsible for signing off the framework for the bonuses and you are going to send us details on the bonus scheme and how it operates. Could you also give us some information about the current manager reward review, which is under way in Scottish Water?
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