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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Richard Leonard

That is helpful. One of the things that we are asking every witness who appears before the committee relates to the distinction that is drawn between being a regulator and being an advocate. People say to me that the Children and Young People’s Commissioner is an advocacy commission. How do you define yourself?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Richard Leonard

That was a very helpful answer. Thank you.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Richard Leonard

That is interesting.

I know that this question is probably invidious, too, but could you put figures on that split? Is it now 80:20 or 50:50?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Good morning. I want to pick up the points about powers, which you might be able to help me with. As I understand it, you have investigatory powers in relation to the human rights of groups of children. You now also have investigatory powers in relation to human rights in individual cases. You said that the prosecution of individual cases rests with the SPSO, but, when the SPSO came to see the committee, she explained that the office has no enforcement powers. It can make recommendations to public bodies—even to the Parliament and to Governments—but there is no binding requirement for its recommendations to be followed. Is that the model that you want?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Richard Leonard

That distinction is well made.

The other question that I want to put to you, which, again, is one that I put earlier to the Scottish Human Rights Commission, is about shared services. From your perspective, are there obvious barriers that are preventing greater sharing of services between the various SPCB supported bodies?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Okay—thank you very much.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you. That was very clear and helpful.

There are other labels that get bandied about, such as the extent to which you are “proactive” or “reactive”; indeed, we have used those terms ourselves earlier, and you have answered Lorna Slater’s question on that point. This might seem invidious, but could you put percentages on the balance of your workload between proactive and reactive activities?

Public Audit Committee

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Richard Leonard

As we mentioned at the session’s start, you sum it up in the report, which says that it is

“impossible to understand which interventions will have the most impact on the target or deliver the best value for money.”

Until we establish that, it seems to me that it is difficult to answer the questions that the deputy convener has been putting, because you are identifying a shortage of data, an absence of meaningful evaluations and things that are not being seen through the prism of meeting the target.

I will move on now. I invite Stuart McMillan to put some questions to you.

Public Audit Committee

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Richard Leonard

In the report, you say that it is

“not possible to see how the national target of 20 per cent will be achieved”,

but you also say that it is

“impossible to understand which interventions will have the most impact on the target or deliver the best value for money.”

That is quite a damning critique, is it not?

Public Audit Committee

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Richard Leonard

In the report, you make the same point in relation to the evaluation of ScotRail’s experiment to remove peak fares, explicitly stating that the impact on car use of reinstating peak fares was not part of the evaluation. That is quite staggering, is it not?