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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 14 January 2026
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Tayside”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

Am I right in thinking that NHS Tayside is still at level 3 in the escalation process?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Tayside”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

I will invite Joe FitzPatrick to come in in a second, but I have one last question before I do that.

One of the features of the earlier phases of the reviews and the responses from the health board was what David Strang described as overreporting of progress and an optimism bias. Rachel Browne talked about realism and so on. What is your sense of whether the board is being given an overoptimistic picture of what is changing on the ground? What is your sense of whether the board is being presented with cold, hard facts about where things have reached? As I mentioned at the beginning, the section 22 report mentions a whole series of areas where things are not going as they ought to go.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Tayside”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much. I invite Joe FitzPatrick to put some questions to you.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Tayside”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you. I now invite Michael Marra to put some questions to you.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

Okay—thanks for clearing that up.

Mr Anderson, from the point of view of the Oversight Board, do you have any view on whether the report makes a useful contribution, and do you accept its findings and conclusions?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

Okay. One of the things that the report talks about is the confusion around governance, and Mr Anderson also referred to that in one of his submissions. I was interested in paragraphs 13 to 16 of the Audit Scotland report, which try to explain the different hats that people wear. Fiona Duncan is not here today, but it is catalogued there that she chaired the care review, which we know, because it is a matter of public record. She became the independent strategic adviser. She chaired the Oversight Board until 2024, then became its co-chair. She held a post—as chief executive officer, then strategic director—at the Corra Foundation, which is the body that dishes out the money. As well as being the independent strategic adviser to the Government, she is also the chair of The Promise Scotland. I am a little bit confused that one person has had—and continues to have—all those roles. Mr Rennick, could you explain that to us?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Tayside”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

Okay, thank you very much indeed. I invite Colin Beattie to put some questions to you.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

Again, just for the record, the September letter was submitted to us on 1 December. Her 1 December submission not only attaches the September letter—about the pre-publication review of the clearance draft—but clearly reinforces the views that were in that September letter. She uses expressions such as:

“Although I agree with several of the recommendations, overall, I believe both the performance audit and the subsequent Report are missed opportunities.”

I will invite Colin Beattie to put some questions to you.

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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Tayside”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

Okay, thank you very much indeed. I invite Graham Simpson to put some questions to you.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

I welcome our witnesses, who are with us in the committee room to give evidence on the Auditor General for Scotland and Accounts Commission report, “Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”. From the Scottish Government, we have Neil Rennick, director general education and justice; Andrew Watson, director for children and families; and Gavin Henderson, deputy director for care experience, children’s services and the Promise. We also welcome the chief executive of The Promise Scotland, Fraser McKinlay; and David Anderson, chair of the Oversight Board for keeping the Promise. Finally, from the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities, we are joined by two witnesses, Nicola Dickie, director of people policy; and Fiona Whitelock, policy manager for the Promise.

We have a number of questions to put to you, and I say at the outset that you do not all necessarily need to feel obliged to answer all the questions that we put. However, if you feel as though you have something relevant to say, please indicate and we will do our level best to bring you in. Before we get to any questions that we might have, director general, I invite you to make an opening statement.