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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee (Virtual)
Meeting date: 18 January 2022
Gillian Martin
Could you direct your question, please?
Health, Social Care and Sport Committee (Virtual)
Meeting date: 18 January 2022
Gillian Martin
I welcome everyone to the second meeting in 2022 of the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee. I have received no apologies from any member for this morning’s meeting. The first item on our agenda is to decide whether to take items 6 and 7 in private. Do members agree to take those items in private?
Members indicated agreement.
Health, Social Care and Sport Committee (Virtual)
Meeting date: 18 January 2022
Gillian Martin
Our second item is two evidence sessions as part of our short inquiry into the health and wellbeing of children and young people. The first session will focus on mental health and child and adolescent mental health services.
I welcome Shelley Buckley, who is the programme manager for families, children and young people at the Mental Health Foundation; Alex Cumming, who is assistant director of delivery and development at the Scottish Association for Mental Health; Susie Fitton, who is policy manager at Inclusion Scotland; Sam March, who is principal educational psychologist at South Lanarkshire Council and is also representing the Association of Scottish Principal Educational Psychologists; Joanne Smith, who is policy and public affairs manager at the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children Scotland; and Dr Mairi Stark, who is Scottish officer at the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health.
I will make a few housekeeping points before we start. The clerks have allocated one committee member to lead the questioning on each of the eight main themes that we have divided our questions into. If any other member wishes to ask a supplementary question on a theme, they should put the letter R in the chat box and I will bring them in if time allows.
We have six panel members. We will try to bring you all in when we can, but as we have eight themes and there may be supplementary questions, we might not be able to get round all six of you on every question. Committee members will always direct their questions to a specific panel member initially. If other panel members want to contribute, they should put the letter R in the chat box and I will come to them. We will prioritise your contributions over supplementary questions. You are our experts and we want to hear from you.
I will kick things off and, contradicting myself straight away, I will go round every panel member so that we get everyone’s initial thoughts. The programme for government contains a lot of commitments around child and adolescent mental health, particularly on getting more support in community settings. One pledge involves a commitment that
“every GP Practice will have access to a mental health and wellbeing service”
and there will be funding for 1,000 additional dedicated staff.
We have been hearing for years now that mental health services need to be in communities, and there was a previous pledge about having school counsellors in place. The pandemic seems to have had an impact on deployment of that pledge at local authority level. Lots of interventions are coming down the line and lots of pledges have been made. Can I get an assessment from each of you of what needs to happen with community services? What variations are you seeing around Scotland in relation to the deployment of previous interventions?
Health, Social Care and Sport Committee (Virtual)
Meeting date: 18 January 2022
Gillian Martin
We move to questions on integrated services and partnerships from Emma Harper. As several witnesses have already mentioned that issue, it would be great if you could direct your questions and pick up on some of the things that have been said.
Health, Social Care and Sport Committee (Virtual)
Meeting date: 18 January 2022
Gillian Martin
Would you like to direct your question to a specific witness?
Health, Social Care and Sport Committee (Virtual)
Meeting date: 18 January 2022
Gillian Martin
I apologise to Carol Mochan: I am not able to come back to you, as we still have two committee members wanting to ask questions.
We were going to move on to the specifics of Covid-19 with Sandesh Gulhane, but we are difficulties with broadcasting and getting him back on screen. We will therefore go to the deputy convener, Paul O’Kane, to save the day.
Health, Social Care and Sport Committee (Virtual)
Meeting date: 18 January 2022
Gillian Martin
You are here, Sandesh. That is great—I thought that we could not see you. We will come to you now.
Health, Social Care and Sport Committee (Virtual)
Meeting date: 18 January 2022
Gillian Martin
We are reaching the end of our session. I will extend it by about 10 minutes, but I cannot do more than that because we have another panel and so much else to get through on our agenda. I ask Shelley Buckley to respond quickly to Sandesh Gulhane’s question before I move on to questions from Paul O’Kane.
Health, Social Care and Sport Committee (Virtual)
Meeting date: 18 January 2022
Gillian Martin
We go to Paul O’Kane for a question on workforce. Please direct your question, Paul.
Health, Social Care and Sport Committee (Virtual)
Meeting date: 18 January 2022
Gillian Martin
Thank you. As usual, time has whizzed past. We have to move on to our final theme.