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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee
Meeting date: 1 February 2022
Gillian Martin
The second agenda item is an evidence session with witnesses from the Scottish Government as part of our inquiry into the health and wellbeing of children and young people. I am delighted to welcome Kevin Stewart, the Minister for Mental Wellbeing and Social Care, and Maree Todd, the Minister for Public Health, Women’s Health and Sport. They are joined online by their officials: Angela Davidson, acting director for improving mental health and wellbeing; Mairi Macpherson, deputy director for improving health and wellbeing with the directorate for children and families; Stephen McLeod, national adviser for child and adolescent mental health services and neurodevelopmental services; and Carolyn Wilson, policy adviser for children and families. Welcome to the ministers and to you all.
Ms Todd, I believe that you would like to make an opening statement.
Health, Social Care and Sport Committee
Meeting date: 1 February 2022
Gillian Martin
Stephanie Callaghan, Sue Webber, Sandesh Gulhane and Carol Mochan all want to ask questions about healthy weight and physical activity. I will bring in Stephanie Callaghan first.
Health, Social Care and Sport Committee
Meeting date: 1 February 2022
Gillian Martin
Okay. I will bring in Sue Webber.
Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)
Meeting date: 1 February 2022
Gillian Martin
Do you accept that safe drug consumption facilities might be a gateway for people to get treatment?
Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)
Meeting date: 1 February 2022
Gillian Martin
Thank you. I have run out of time—over to you, convener.
Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)
Meeting date: 1 February 2022
Gillian Martin
Welcome to the meeting, Mr Malthouse. I come at this from my perspective as convener of the Scottish Parliament’s Health, Social Care and Sport Committee.
I have a very simple question. Do you agree that people who are addicted to drugs are unwell?
Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)
Meeting date: 1 February 2022
Gillian Martin
I am sorry to go on about this, but in response to recommendations from the Drug Deaths Taskforce, you said that safe consumption facilities might “condone drug use”. Does the very fact that you have said that straight off not show that, instead of your looking at them as a health intervention, you are opposed to such facilities because of an overriding concern that this is a case of public perception?
Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)
Meeting date: 1 February 2022
Gillian Martin
In response to Gillian Mackay’s question, the minister mentioned that licences might be available to assist with drug checking. I am not aware of such a system—it is the first time that I have heard of it. If there is licensing available for that kind of facility, could it also be a vehicle for a pilot project for a safe consumption facility?
Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)
Meeting date: 1 February 2022
Gillian Martin
But, as the drug deaths statistics for Scotland show, it seems that particular areas of deprivation are affected.
You have asked Angela Constance for evidence. She has written to you today—I have her letter here—highlighting the trials in New York and pointing out that 59 people have been saved in the three weeks since those facilities opened. Are you content to look at that new evidence and, as Sue Webber has suggested, facilitate a trial that would give us Scotland-based evidence to allow us to make decisions from a public health perspective?
Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)
Meeting date: 1 February 2022
Gillian Martin
There is no silver bullet.