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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 June 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 22 February 2022

Gillian Martin

Welcome to the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee’s eighth meeting in 2022. I have received no apologies from members.

The first item on our agenda is a decision on whether to take items 5 to 7 in private. Do members agree to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Social Care

Meeting date: 22 February 2022

Gillian Martin

David Torrance has a follow-up question.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Social Care

Meeting date: 22 February 2022

Gillian Martin

We have a couple of supplementary questions on that theme before we move on. They will have to be short. Please keep an eye on the time, colleagues, and direct your questions.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Social Care

Meeting date: 22 February 2022

Gillian Martin

I will bring in Fiona Collie, and then we must move on to talk about the national care service.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Social Care

Meeting date: 22 February 2022

Gillian Martin

I will bring in Annie Gunner Logan and then Dr Macaskill.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Social Care

Meeting date: 22 February 2022

Gillian Martin

We are into our last half hour. That was my heavy hint to members to keep their questions short and succinct. Panellists have to tell us what they think, so I will not curtail them, but I ask members to keep their questions short and sharp.

Stephanie Callaghan has some questions on financial planning.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Social Care

Meeting date: 22 February 2022

Gillian Martin

Judith Proctor has had to leave us. I thank all our witnesses for their time. You have brought up very interesting points, which we will take forward. As I said, if you want to direct us to any additional information or reports, please do so.

I suspend the meeting. We will come back at quarter past 11 for our next agenda item.

11:02 Meeting suspended.  

11:15 On resuming—  

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Social Care

Meeting date: 22 February 2022

Gillian Martin

Our second agenda item is an evidence session on social care. I welcome our panellists for the next couple of hours, who are joining us online. We have Fiona Collie, who is the policy and public affairs manager for Carers Scotland; Annie Gunner Logan, who is the chief executive of the Coalition of Care and Support Providers in Scotland; Dr Donald Macaskill, who is the chief executive of Scottish Care; and Judith Proctor, who is the chief officer of the Edinburgh integration joint board and chair of Health and Social Care Scotland’s chief officer group. I thank you all for giving us your time.

We decided to have this session as a result of the recent Audit Scotland report on social care, which will be the backdrop to our discussion. Many of the issues that are brought up in the report are familiar to us all. I want to ask about the fragility of the workforce. To me, one of the most striking things in the report is the statistic that nearly a quarter of people who start a job in social care leave that job within the first three months. I found that to be a staggering statistic. What is behind it? It surely cannot purely be about pay and the fact that people go somewhere else for pay reasons. I would like to get your thoughts on some of the workforce statistics in the report and your views on what is happening in that regard.

I will go first to Fiona Collie.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Social Care

Meeting date: 22 February 2022

Gillian Martin

I thank you all for those opening comments, which provide a really good starting point on issues that my colleagues might want to dig into in more depth. I asked all the witnesses to respond to my opening question. My colleagues will probably pose their questions to specific individuals but, if anyone who is not directly asked a question has something to add, please put an R in the chat box.

On the theme of the social care workforce, I hand over to Sandesh Gulhane.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Social Care

Meeting date: 22 February 2022

Gillian Martin

David Torrance wants to ask a question about commissioning, which all our witnesses have mentioned.