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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 June 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Health and Care Bill

Meeting date: 19 April 2022

Gillian Martin

Item 3 is an evidence session on a further supplementary legislative consent memorandum relating to the United Kingdom Health and Care Bill—LCM S6-5c, which was lodged on 12 April 2022. I welcome Humza Yousaf, the Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care, who is accompanied by Scottish Government officials Sam Baker, who is acting head of unit in infected blood and abortion services; Robert Henderson, who is team leader in the intergovernmental and international relations unit; and Lucy Orren, who is a solicitor for the food, health and social care division. I thank you all for joining us.

I believe that the cabinet secretary has an opening statement to make.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 April 2022

Gillian Martin

Occupational pensions are reserved to the UK Government, although that does not refer to the regulations that we are considering. However, your comments are on the record.

I propose that the committee does not make any recommendations on the regulations. Do members agree?

Members indicated agreement.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 April 2022

Gillian Martin

At its next meeting, on 26 April, the committee will consider its approach to an inquiry into health inequalities and a draft report on its inquiry into the health and wellbeing of children and young people.

That concludes the public part of our meeting.

11:31 Meeting continued in private until 11:49.  

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

“NHS in Scotland 2021”

Meeting date: 19 April 2022

Gillian Martin

You have outlined the main points that the report makes about the challenges that we know the NHS is facing, and about some of the learning from the pandemic. Can you be more specific? A lot of what you say in your report it is no surprise to any of us. We have been hearing about those challenges for the NHS since the committee convened—and well before that.

The NHS is still on an emergency footing in most places. Given that health boards are responsible for how they manage their boards locally, is there an opportunity relating to some of the reforms that are taking place at the national level? Could the health boards that you have identified as having particular challenges be brought into line with those that seem to be managing better?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

“NHS in Scotland 2021”

Meeting date: 19 April 2022

Gillian Martin

We will move on to talk about health inequalities. We are about to conduct an inquiry into health inequalities, and your report suggests that there is an overarching strategy to tackle health inequalities that goes across all the Government portfolios, not just the health and public health portfolios. Most people we speak to in the committee agree that that approach, which involves looking at what happens in society more generally, is the right way to address health inequalities, rather than simply considering what happens in our hospitals and GP surgeries. What kind of data is Audit Scotland looking to have in order to audit that overarching strategy?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

“NHS in Scotland 2021”

Meeting date: 19 April 2022

Gillian Martin

I thank Mr Boyle for his time this morning and Derek Hoy and Leigh Johnston for their support.

We will take a break before we move to the next item on our agenda.

10:53 Meeting suspended.  

11:15 On resuming—  

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

“NHS in Scotland 2021”

Meeting date: 19 April 2022

Gillian Martin

Emma, would you like to continue on to the theme of prevention and early intervention?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

“NHS in Scotland 2021”

Meeting date: 19 April 2022

Gillian Martin

I will bring in Gillian Mackay on that specific point.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Health and Care Bill

Meeting date: 19 April 2022

Gillian Martin

Thank you. I note that you agree with the substance of the amendment. However, you mentioned the UK Government’s piecemeal approach. We always keep an eye on the consultation processes for LCMs or statutory instruments that come our way as a result of changes that the UK Government makes to legislation. Has there been enough consultation between the two Governments as part of the process?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Health and Care Bill

Meeting date: 19 April 2022

Gillian Martin

Thank you for that.