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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 9 June 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Health Inequalities

Meeting date: 21 June 2022

Gillian Martin

Professor Meier, you have made a point that we have heard a lot. We need services to be aligned so that people do not have to tell their stories many times to multiple people. Do other panellists have reflections on that? The committee has heard some suggested solutions to such issues. It can compound people’s trauma if they have to tell the same story over and over again to different people, starting from scratch and not leaving anything out in case it causes difficulty in accessing a service. Dr Cawston, you must hear about such issues a lot.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Health Inequalities

Meeting date: 21 June 2022

Gillian Martin

Tess, do you want to follow up on any of that?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 21 June 2022

Gillian Martin

I welcome everyone to the 23rd meeting in 2022 of the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee. I have received apologies from Emma Harper, and two members are joining us online. Everyone else is here.

Agenda item 1 is to decide whether to take items 3 and 4 in private. Do members agree to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Health Inequalities

Meeting date: 21 June 2022

Gillian Martin

Item 2 is a further evidence session in our inquiry into health inequalities. During today’s session, the committee will undertake a round-table discussion with witnesses to explore possible solutions at a policy level that can sustain focus and action on tackling health inequalities across portfolios.

I welcome to the committee Dr Peter Cawston, principal general practitioner, GPs at the Deep End; Professor Sir Michael Marmot, professor of epidemiology, University College London; Dr Shari McDaid, head of evidence and impact, Scotland and Northern Ireland, Mental Health Foundation; and Professor Petra Meier, director, UK Prevention Research Partnership-funded systems science in public health and health economic research consortium.

I believe that all the witnesses have a brief opening statement to make before we start our discussion. I will take them in the order in which I introduced them, so I will go to Dr Cawston first.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Health Inequalities

Meeting date: 21 June 2022

Gillian Martin

That is helpful.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Health Inequalities

Meeting date: 21 June 2022

Gillian Martin

Thank you. I will bring in Dr McDaid, who wants to answer your question, Stephanie.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Health Inequalities

Meeting date: 21 June 2022

Gillian Martin

The final opening statement is from Professor Meier.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Health Inequalities

Meeting date: 21 June 2022

Gillian Martin

We will move to questions from Evelyn Tweed.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Health Inequalities

Meeting date: 21 June 2022

Gillian Martin

Thank you. You have given us lots that we can drill deeper into. That has been a really good start to our discussion.

All committee members have had an interest in health inequalities for some time. While we have been considering the evidence that we have been taking over a number of weeks, it has become clear to us that such issues come up all the time, no matter which inquiry we are working on or which subject we consider on this committee or others. The subject comes up everywhere because of the nature of the causes of such inequalities.

Notwithstanding all that you have said about whole-system and cross-portfolio working, I want to drill into what Dr Cawston said about the structures of the NHS perpetuating inequality and widening divisions. It seems to me that we need to hear more about that. Could I come first to Dr Cawston for more detail on that?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Health Inequalities

Meeting date: 21 June 2022

Gillian Martin

It is helpful to hear your first-hand experience.

Before I bring in Paul O’Kane, I remind those who are participating remotely that, although we will probably direct our questions to individuals, if anyone wants to add to anything that anyone else has said, they can put an R in the chat box and I will bring them in.