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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 8 June 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Gillian Martin

And that has a knock-on effect on other measures of a wellbeing society, such as the gender pay gap.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Gillian Martin

Yes.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Gillian Martin

Two members have put in late bids for questions, but I can only allow two more, as we are running out of time. I call Carol Mochan and then Stephanie Callaghan, and then we will need to wrap things up.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Gillian Martin

The second item on the agenda is our first evidence session on the National Care Service (Scotland) Bill. I will run through our witnesses, starting with those who are in the room. We have Professor Sir Harry Burns, who is professor of practice and special adviser at the University of Strathclyde; and Nick Kempe, who is the convener of the Common Weal’s care reform group. Online, we have Professor Jon Glasby, who is professor of health and social care at the University of Birmingham; Professor Catherine Hennessy, who is professor of ageing at the University of Stirling; and Professor Catherine Needham, who is professor of public policy and public management at the University of Birmingham and is involved in the Economic and Social Research Council’s centre for care. Welcome, everyone.

I will go round all the witnesses to get their initial thoughts on the bill. First, I mention to colleagues that we will not have time for every witness to answer every question. Therefore, I ask that they do not follow my lead and that they direct their questions to individuals, otherwise we will quickly run out of time and we will not get through all our themes.

I will ask the key high-level question. Does this framework bill adequately meet the objectives of delivering potentially better health outcomes for people who receive care, and does it meet the needs of those who require assistance with the care of a family member?

I will go to Professor Hennessy first.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Gillian Martin

That is not what I asked.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Gillian Martin

I will pass over to my colleague Tess White.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Gillian Martin

Thank you, Tess. Sandesh Gulhane wants to come in.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Gillian Martin

Is there a comparison to make between the Government’s approach in implementing the social security system, whereby it went round the country and spoke to people about their experiences of social security, and the approach that it is taking now, whereby it has a national care forum—the first of the meetings was in Perth last month—that involves people from the third sector and people who are experiencing social care systems throughout Scotland? Is there a comparison that we can draw between the success of that approach to social security and this approach? How important might that be as we implement the bill?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Gillian Martin

Okay. In that case, we move on to theme 5, which is about how the bill will assist us in making headway on its policy aims. The questioning on that will be led by Paul O’Kane.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Gillian Martin

Sandesh Gulhane has a question on that theme.