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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 30 May 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 November 2022

Gillian Martin

That is a good note to end on. I thank all our panellists for their time and for what they have told us. I suspend the meeting for 10 minutes to allow the panels to change over.

10:30 Meeting suspended.  

10:40 On resuming—  

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 November 2022

Gillian Martin

Our second evidence-taking session comprises representatives from trade unions that represent the social care workforce, and I welcome to the committee Mary Alexander, deputy regional secretary, Unite; Tracey Dalling, regional secretary, Unison Scotland; Roz Foyer, general secretary, Scottish Trades Union Congress; and Cara Stevenson, organiser for the women’s campaign unit, GMB Scotland. Thank you for coming to speak to us about the national care service.

I want to take us back to Derek Feeley’s review and its recommendations. Do you see the framework bill as the springboard to realising the recommendations of the so-called Feeley review? I just want to get everyone’s views on that question before I bring in colleagues, and I ask Cara Stevenson to respond first.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 November 2022

Gillian Martin

That is exactly what we heard yesterday from Granite Care Consortium, which told us that it has a model for how care boards should work, so it can be done. It was interesting to hear you frame things in that way in your response, because those of us who were in Aberdeen yesterday heard about that in action.

I think that Gillian Mackay has a question, before we move on.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 November 2022

Gillian Martin

Would you like to go to Cara first?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 November 2022

Gillian Martin

I bring in James Dornan. [Interruption.] Could broadcasting staff unmute his microphone? That would be super.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 November 2022

Gillian Martin

I will bring in Carol Mochan, who is online.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 November 2022

Gillian Martin

We will move on to finances, in more detail.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 November 2022

Gillian Martin

I will stop you there, because my colleagues will ask about the details. I was asking about the co-design process. You have made it clear that you feel that you should be actively involved in the co-design process, and you alluded to being involved in the formation of the care boards.

I will bring in my colleagues. There will be ample opportunity for witnesses to come back to those issues.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 November 2022

Gillian Martin

The next agenda item is further consideration of the National Care Service (Scotland) Bill, with two evidence sessions. Both panels will focus on the bill as it relates to the workforce, employment, training and development and contractual arrangements. The first panel is comprised of representatives from several professional bodies and regulators representing sections of the health, social care and social work workforce.

I welcome those who are attending in person. We have Maree Allison, acting chief executive, Scottish Social Services Council; Alison Bavidge, national director, Scottish Association of Social Work; Kay McVeigh, head of personnel services, South Lanarkshire Council, and Society of Personnel and Development Scotland portfolio lead for workforce planning; and Colin Poolman, director, Royal College of Nursing for Scotland. Joining us online, we have Sharon Wiener-Ogilvie, deputy chair, Allied Health Professions Federation Scotland.

Good morning to you all and welcome. I will go around all of you initially to get your views. My colleagues will probably direct their questions to a specific person, but if you have something to add and want to chime in, just catch my eye and I will come to you. It would be lovely to think that we could go round the whole panel with every question, but we would run out of time very quickly if we did that. Sharon, as you are online, you can use the chat box to let me know when you want to come in.

I will ask you all about the co-design idea and process. As we have been scrutinising this bill and speaking to various stakeholders, we have been finding that there are questions about the idea of having a framework bill that sets out that there will be a national care service, with some quite high-level things to be put in statute about that. However, the co-design process will happen after that and inform secondary legislation, which is quite different from how legislation normally works. I suppose that the nearest example would be the Social Security (Scotland) Bill. There is an expectation that a lot of the detail will be created through that process of collaboration and co-design. Do you support that approach or do you have any concerns about it?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 November 2022

Gillian Martin

Therefore, in effect, that co-design has already started. Legislators such as the members of this committee are looking at the framework bill, but a lot of that co-design is well under way.